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Re: WaMu to be seized by FDIC tomorrow...

Unread postby shortonoil » Sun 14 Sep 2008, 12:38:07

roccman said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')ingo!

The 3-5 year arms were fused to go off at PO.

PO was to usher in economic collapse.

PO will be defined by economic collapse.

Option arms were/arm the fail safe to insure economic collapse.

It is working.

Morgan was one of the original seven that was at Jekyl Island.


I don’t disagree with you very often roc but here I must differ. After the FED goes down, and takes most of Europe’s centrals with it, their debt based fiat is not going to be worth the paper it’s written on. It will not be possible to run DBF currency in a PO world. The massive debt that has been acquired can not be serviced. There is no way to create the money; that requires credit and we know where that is going!

I think we are about to see the end of the banking barons.
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Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC (& JPM)

Unread postby firestarter » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 21:26:01

Why Thursday? Why not Friday?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')y Jeran Wittenstein
Sept. 25 (Bloomberg) -- Washington Mutual Inc. was taken over by the Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. in the largest failure of any bank in history, CNBC reported, without citing anyone.
The FDIC will sell the bank's $130 billion deposit base to JPMorgan Chase & Co. for an undisclosed sum, CNBC said.

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Re: Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC

Unread postby Cashmere » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 21:33:13

Thursday to put extra pressure on lawmakers to pass the bailout scam.
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Re: Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC

Unread postby r101958 » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 21:36:58

I can answer in one sentence: As a (not so) subtle threat to Congress so that they approve the bailout package.
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Re: Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC

Unread postby Dan1195 » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 21:37:34

They basically took it over then sold the branches, deposits and some assets to JPMorgan. Debt and equity gets wiped out.
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Re: Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC

Unread postby firestarter » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 21:38:34

Cashmere, the bailout is dead. Bush will not sign if executive compensation denied.

And, I do agree with you on the timing of WM. It was timed to pressure the Beltway boys. It won't work though.

The pin to the financial grenade was pulled. All hell's about to break loose.
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Re: Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC

Unread postby roccman » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 21:51:14

JPM

There's that name again.
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Re: Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC

Unread postby ki11ercane » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 21:51:17

Wow I guess TD Canada Trust WON'T be buying them out.
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Re: Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC

Unread postby Snowrunner » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 22:02:40

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ki11ercane', 'W')ow I guess TD Canada Trust WON'T be buying them out.


Good, otherwise I'd seriously considered to close my account there.
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Re: Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC

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Re: Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC

Unread postby Cashmere » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 22:44:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ashmere, the bailout is dead. Bush will not sign if executive compensation denied.


If that's the case, it really tells the tale, does it not?

They want to limit executive compensation to what? A few mill? But that's a problem.

Couldn't make this stuff up.
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Re: Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC

Unread postby dunewalker » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 22:52:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'T')hursday to put extra pressure on lawmakers to pass the bailout scam.


It takes time and organization for the FDIC to take over a large bank on Thursday and have it up and running normally by Friday, right? This would mean that the entire process was being planned even before the big bailout was presented to Congress, and timed to happen a day before the big vote, which they knew would be tomorrow.
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Re: Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC

Unread postby Novus » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 23:03:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')ashmere, the bailout is dead. Bush will not sign if executive compensation denied.


If that's the case, it really tells the tale, does it not?

They want to limit executive compensation to what? A few mill? But that's a problem.

Couldn't make this stuff up.


The executives jailed or hanged and Bush himself should be impeached.
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Adios Wamu!

Unread postby PrairieMule » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 23:19:14

Looks like Wamu just got bought out. No surprise.

http://money.cnn.com/2008/09/25/news/co ... 2008092523
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Re: Adios Wamu!

Unread postby Novus » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 23:24:48

Bought out? More like Bailed out by the tax payer yet again to make those at JPM even richer.

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Re: Washington Mutual RIP--Taken over by FDIC

Unread postby jbrovont » Thu 25 Sep 2008, 23:27:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')OMG! My bank closed! Jee Whiz Mr. Congressman please pass that bill!


Unfortunately, you're probably 100% correct. Everyone I know is cheering the break down in talks though. So far there seems to be a "take your own medicine" view of WaMu around here.

The mob is restless and unsatisfied. More sacrifices! ;)

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dunewalker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', 'T')hursday to put extra pressure on lawmakers to pass the bailout scam.


It takes time and organization for the FDIC to take over a large bank on Thursday and have it up and running normally by Friday, right? This would mean that the entire process was being planned even before the big bailout was presented to Congress, and timed to happen a day before the big vote, which they knew would be tomorrow.
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FDIC question....

Unread postby countrymomma » Wed 01 Oct 2008, 11:39:21

I understand that deposits of up to $100k are insured. But here is my question: Should your local bank go under, how long does it take to get back to "business as usual?" What is the process? Most importantly, how long will those with money in the bank be hanging out, unable to access their money?

I hear about the FDIC and I wonder. Is this like my auto/homeowner's insurance - waiting for days, weeks, months for reimbursement? I can't imagine how, if my savings & checking were inaccessible because the bank was closed up, we would be able to take care of all the normal bills every week. Or, is this some rapid rescue for those with accounts in insured banks? A day or two and everything is relatively "normal" again? I apologize for my ignorance, but I would love to know how this works.
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Re: FDIC question....

Unread postby Falconoffury » Wed 01 Oct 2008, 11:42:34

The FDIC rules state that insured accounts will be reimbursed "as soon as possible". How soon that really is, could be anyone's guess. In theory, it could be years.
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Re: FDIC question....

Unread postby mattduke » Wed 01 Oct 2008, 11:45:50

When banks begin going under en-masse, the inflation required to make all those FDIC paymens will be enormous, and thus we'll have withdrawal limits. "Don't worry, your money is safe, you just cannot withdraw it." Meanwhile you will be desperate to withdraw it as the dollar shrinks in value every day.
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Re: FDIC question....

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Wed 01 Oct 2008, 11:50:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('countrymomma', 'S')hould your local bank go under, how long does it take to get back to "business as usual?" What is the process? Most importantly, how long will those with money in the bank be hanging out, unable to access their money?


Up till now it's been pretty quick. They typically close the bank after close of business on Friday and by Monday FDIC is set up issuing checks to people.

The wrinkle is this. FDIC maintains a pool called the Deposit Insurance Fund that it uses to fund those refunds. The DIF is really only sized to cover slightly above average numbers of bank failures. During the savings and loan failures of the 80's, the DIF (then called the Bank Insurance Fund or BIF) became insolvent. It gave out all it's money and FDIC had to borrow funds to continue operating. The DIF has been hit heavily by Indymac and other failures. Another big failure would probably exhaust the DIF. That's where it could take a lot longer to get your money back is if the DIF is exhausted and FDIC has to go ask congress for more money.
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