[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')'m a doomer. Why don't I move? I moved here about a decade ago, so I don't feel like moving again, as things are just finally getting sorted out (I'm a slow worker). I like this area, although it is a challenging environment.
People should try to live where they feel comfortable. Some people like the city and should probably live there, others like small towns, others the country, a few like the wilderness. Most people like what is familiar. I spent my youth in this area so it feels familiar to me. My family lives in the region.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ProudFossil', 'W')ell from your avatar you probably will last for about 10 years on a starvation diet.

[joeltrout]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ProudFossil', ' ')So why don't you just move and shut up?

[Cashmere]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ProudFossil', 'W')ell from your avatar you probably will last for about 10 years on a starvation diet.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', ' ')My wife asked the kids the other day if they want to move to Alaska and got a resouning "NO" in response (no offense RE).

[chenopodium]

We went the whole 9 yards:
we moved to another continent, got new jobs, are building a passive solar house with photovoltaics (using all our money including our retirement money) and are planning to grow as much food as possible.

And we are not even super-ueber-doomers, but think there is reasonable chance that it will get very bad in the next 10 years...

[Leanan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', ' ')Sure, but that wasn't to bring "Freedom and Democracy" to those lands but to get resources.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ProudFossil', 'S')o why don't you just move and shut up?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'B')ack to your question, the hardcore porn doomers are full of themselves, and have no bone in their back.

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'B')ack to your question, the hardcore porn doomers are full of themselves, and have no bone in their back.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', 'B')ack to your question, the hardcore porn doomers are full of themselves, and have no bone in their back.

[Ludi]

It's not enough to just disagree with people, I guess.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t's not enough to just disagree with people, I guess.

[Ludi]

I thought guys were supposed to be the rational ones. You know, with the cogent arguments and stuff.

[Newfie]

My 2 cents here. I have not read this tread carefully yet but will later. This is an interesting thread.

First, you don't need to give up your US citizenship to emmigrate, so says the Supreme Court back in the late 60's or early 70's. The other country may require you to give up your US citizenship but the US can not require you to give up your US citizenship (without additional cause.) I, for example have US/Canadian citizenship, but my wife had to renounce her German citizenship to get US citizenship.

Second, I'm pretty hard core doom in the sense that I think we will have an 80% or so population decline. I do have a second place (or third, or fourth) to live in if I need to. It would be rough but I could survive.

While I may be rethinking the situation given this past week, I don't think collapse will be next week. It is most likely to be a slow degrading of our standard of living. At some point you may want to move to a more stable place, if you can find one.

In thinking about this I went to the Global Footprint Network. They have a pretty good spreadsheet on the basic resources each country has. Not too many countries are in very good shape. US can not support its current population but is closer than most. Some countries, such as mid East oil producers, are very, very poor in natural resources to feed themselves. They are massively in overshoot. As I recall the short list of countries not in overshoot are Norway, Sweeden, Canada, Chile, and a couple of others.

Then you can look to the predicted effects of global warming, some places will get milder and wetter and have good resources.

Then I believe that I have no capacity whatsoever to stop the events that are going to happen in the next 100 or so years. None, nada, nill, zero, zip, etc. The best I can do is to take care of me and mine. Still having that argument with my wife and others. It is called denial.

So, this one doomer has:
done some research,
made initial preparations to move,
have a place to go to,
but is still benefiting from the current situation which is, in my case, fairly comfortable.

When I have to pick up a gun for self defense - I move.
When I can't get a job - I move.
When I can financially divorce myselfe from here - I move.

[eXpat]

I´m addressing the title of the thread here, more where? to the land of the sustainable ecovillages?´cos I have been through good part of Europe and America (South and Center) and heard and researched about other places, and there isn´t such a place to the best of my knowlege. I don´t have the economical means either, to buy 50 acres of good land and build my ideal home. Being a doomer means ,to me, to prep, in the best of your capacity for the worst-case scenario. If it turns to be true, you at least are reasonably prepared, if not, you have a surplus of resources that can be put to good use.
Just my 2 cents.

[ReverseEngineer]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'L')udi, you wouldn't understand, it's a guy thing. We either shout at each other over the interwebs or we go back to challenging each other to a pistol duel.

[BlueGhostNo2]

I have no intention of reading the 7 pages of BS given the first two were well BS :D and I'm in a net Cafe in Australia. 2 AUD per hour so not bad, still principle.

Anyway, in reply to the op I'm planning on moving from England to NZ I think it has much better prospects in a post peak world for me in my old age and my descendants -

Small and educated population, net exporter of food, good potential for renewable energy, fairly good current renewable energy, located in the middle of fucking no where, unlikely to get nuked.

I am however not a super Doomer, I'd put my position as similar to Cube, Mr Bill and SPG.

The position is basically:

We are CURRENTLY experiencing economic dislocations which are causing many people to starve (just mostly outside of our 1st world ivory towers). There is a good possibility that within the next 50 years (Hopefully my lifetime) we will have to switch infrastructure from mostly oil based to mostly electrical base, as we have not really started this it is HIGHLY likely there will be big economic dislocations involved in this.

NOW, how 'bad' it gets depends on the depletion rate of oil production and the global response to this depletion ranging from nuclear war where almost everyone dies upto a mild economic contraction with a reduction of standards of living mostly in the 1st world countries. As to which is most likely I have no clue and if people here are honest about their ability to predict the future, no one else does either.

SO, yeah, I'm planning on moving to NZ, I'm just at the end of chilling in Aus for two weeks then tuesday I'm off to Auckland for 2 months of driving around and scoping the place out. Then back to the UK get another job as a software dev and then decide how soon I need to move my ass to NZ.

[BION]

New zealand will be totally devastated by meteor tsunamis, I would get on the other side of the earth.

[static66]

to Fossil Puke-
1. I have moved to an area with plenty of clean water and arable land.
2. I am growing my own food and raising my own animals for food.
3. have a super-insulated smallish home heated with wood from my land.
4. No Kids
5. My car runs on waste vegetable oil and Bio diesel from 10 miles away.
6. Starting a Compressed Natural Gas conversion Company for this region.
7. Work currently promoting local food to retailers and restaurants.
8. Own two guns~ pistol grip shotgun/ laser sighted tactical 40 S&W
9. Two guard dogs on property
10. Solar Panels going up in the spring.

Don't worry, everything is going to be just fine for people like you,
the system will provide you all that you need.

I just happen to like eating my own food, drinking spring water from my property and imbibing on some freshly brewed ale and putting a match to some locally harvested spice. (call me crazy!)

The stuff they will give you in the centers will be pretty good too...
I guess...

Good luck.