[heroineworshipper]

The biggest corporate socialization of all is coming: Barrack Savings & Loanama.

[waegari]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SILENTTODD', ' ')

Call it by its real name. The Duce himself, Benito Mussolini defined Fascism as “the Corporate State”.

[shady28]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cashmere', '
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National Corporate Socialism.
Otherwise known as
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CorporoFascism.[/align]

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('waegari', 'A')s long as you have Wall Street, you have no fascism.

[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', 'L')ike Cube said above, citizens don't even notice how far to the left the US has moved. Big government payout checks are expected and accepted.

[Cashmere]

Fascism is a tough-to-nail-down word to begin with. I disagree that corporate control is part of fascism.

Hitler's Germany wasn't controlled by corporations. The U.S. is.

So I choose CorporoFacism, which makes clear that it's national socialism controlled by and for the benefit of corporations.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', '.').. For me the "Left" (and that's a pretty broad term to begin with) has the State in "control" of it's citizens life (e.g. social services). I never considered (and still don't) consider what happens right now (Government handouts) to Corporations and a selected few and providing laws / rules that only benefit a handful of people as "leftist", the "Left" in my book tried to even the odds for everybody, the right tends to "set it all free" and offer a "free for all". ...

[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'I') sincerely hope you are not trying to say that such government actions are "conservative" because if you did then I would consider that to be a straw man argument and would rightfully so lose respect in you and consider your credibility to be severely diminished.

[RedStateGreen]

On the political spectrum, fascism is generally considered hard right, while communism is generally considered hard left. Personally, I don't see much difference between the two.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', 'R')eally? Talking US System here right now. The Prosperty that for a long time allowed the majority of "living the American Dream" was based on the Liberal policies of the "New Deal". In the early '70s America began dismantling a lot of these, I guess by people who you could call "Conservative", but I am not quite sure that this fits the bill.

[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'L')iberal policies are only made possible by cheap energy, Snowrunner.

[cube]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Snowrunner', 'I') still detest the original statement that this is a "left" outcropping to throw money at the companies who are now holding out their hand. Many people I know who would consider themselves to the left of the spectrum are very vocally opposed to this as well, they would rather see that money spent in ways where it helps people directly. The only one I hear advocate this kind of bail out are the ones who are either high up in those companies or in the banking system and are facing huge losses.

[Snowrunner]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'O')f course liberals did NOT intend for this to end up this way. but hey this isn't the first time they cooked up a plan that went bad.
For example welfare for the poor was meant to help people get back up on their feet. It was never meant to create 3 generations of continuous welfare recipients. Another example of good intentions but ridiculously unintended consequences.

[highlander]

Since this thread started, the biggest bailout ever has been inked. US taxpayers will pay to keep other countries from losing money by holding securities from fannie mae and freddie mac. US shareholders will not be protected. This goes beyond gov't support of corps. Will the officials that dream up this stuff ever realize the well is getting dry?

[Cid_Yama]

<b>Bolivia's Morales, opposition agree on referendum</b>

After weeks of political crisis, Bolivia's government and opposition have agreed to hold a referendum on a new constitution on January 25. Right-wing congressmen dropped their opposition to the referundum after socialist President Evo Morales agreed to seek only one more five-year term. Morales has been pushing for constitutional reforms that would empower Bolivia's indigenous majority. The agreement came as more than 100,000 of the president's supporters packed the streets of the capital to demonstrate for the new charter.
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<b>Half of Venezuela’s Budget Goes to Social Spending</b>

Venezuelan president Hugo Chavez announced on Friday that around 48% of the national budget for 2009 would go towards social investment. This includes food programs, health, education, and the various social missions. Chavez also provided BsF. 509 million (US$ 237 million) to the communal councils that day.

This year the proportion of the budget for social spending was 45%, or BsF. 64.7 billion (US$ 30 billion).

"The budget that the National Assembly is discussing at the moment will be BsF. 78.6 billion, which would be about US$ 44 billion. It's on a socialist course. One can measure the orientation of the government in its budget," Chavez said.
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<b>Ecuador implements new constitution</b>

Ecuador has officially implemented a new constitution that was approved by almost 70 percent of votes in a national referendum last month. Under the new constitution socialist President Rafael Correa has the ability to dissolve Congress, set monetary policy and run for office through 2017. The 130-member constituent assembly that wrote the constitution will meet on Wednesday to appoint a transitionary legislative body that will govern prior to elections next February.
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<b>Ecuador rolls out new, socialist constitution</b>

Ecuador rolled out its new, socialist-leaning constitution that was overwhelmingly approved by referendum three weeks ago and ushers in a new era of expanded presidential powers and new elections in February.

Correa has said he wants his country to pursue "21st century socialism," as Ecuador follows leftist Venezuela and Bolivia, making it the latest South American country to chart a leftward course.

The new constitution is inspired by the leftist majorities in power in Venezuela and Bolivia and their repudiation of the neoliberal policies of the 1990s, but falls short of nationalising the country's natural resources as Bolivia and Venezuela have done.

It also guarantees universal health care and free education up to the third year of college, as well as "a dignified and adequate home, independent of one's social and economic situation."
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<i>Makes you want to say, "Hey, I'ld rather do that with the money than bail out those criminal bankers."

[americandream]

These free market racketeers....all round this globe.....haven't a leg to stand on. They've shown their true colours for the people they are. We let them deregulate in the pursuit of this myth of small government and what do we have....50 trillion theft at the least if we only the funny American securitisations. I'ld hate to imagine what other bogus stuff went on elsewhere in the world including my country New Zealand. Where has that wealth gone!

We've had to go for decades without decent health, education, housing, infrastructure, pensions whilst these swines harangued us with their thieving ideology. And what do we have to show for it...broken countries, empty coffers and tax bases that are being raided from Armenia to the US.

I am so incensed! If the Latin Americans have any sense, they will resist these creatures to the last man and throw them into the sea.

[pana_burda]

Ohhhh ..... cid ..... cid ..... cid!!!!!


I am having a REAL hard time in believing you are such a cherry picking searcher and deliberatedly blind, I am starting to convince myself you are part of our national expenses and "P.R." budget. You should be generously funded by the same guy I, un-interestly, freely and WHOLEHEARTEDLY, am opposed to ..... am I RIGHT??

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f the Latin Americans have any sense, they will resist these creatures to the last man and throw them into the sea.

[Cid_Yama]

If you can find me a way to get paid for believing in "21st Century Socialism", which I already do, and supporting it, because I'ld like to see it spread worldwide, I'ld be happy to take the money.

<i>"It also guarantees universal health care and free education up to the third year of college, as well as "a dignified and adequate home, independent of one's social and economic situation."</i>

How can you <b>NOT</b> support that without being truely evil?

I look at it this way. I would like to live in a world where no one loses an eye or a limb or a family member that could have been saved if only they had access to antibiotics or a heathcare worker.

I would like to live in a world where everyone has the opportunity to learn how the world works and gain the education necessary to not be exploited and provide a living wage for themselves.

How can a world where everyone is healthy and educated, not be a better world?

[pana_burda]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '"')It also guarantees universal health care and free education up to the third year of college, as well as "a dignified and adequate home, independent of one's social and economic situation."

How can you NOT support that without being truely evil?

[Cid_Yama]

Or down to yours.

It is possible to guarantee a basic minimum of access to healthcare, education, roof over your head, and clothes on your back, while still having plenty left over for incentive towards ambition and profit.

Exclusivity and drive for power are the problem. Production aimed at enforcing exclusivity is the problem. This production is wasteful. Why should people have to have an inferior product that uses the same amount of resources to make? Why should people have to pay more for a better made product that uses the same resources to produce as the inferior product?

Producing for obsolescence to guarantee continued production is a waste.

Produce only the best product possible aimed at longevity not obsolescence and resources are not wasted.

Capitalism is parasitic. It is a cancer on humanity and the planet.