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THE Torture Thread (merged)
Re: Torture . . . oh, what monsters we be
by oowolf » Fri 29 Aug 2008, 17:55:55
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Re: Torture . . . oh, what monsters we be
by PenultimateManStanding » Fri 29 Aug 2008, 18:54:12
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('oowolf', '
') "Haven't you heard, psychotic monkeys have taken over planet Earth! But don't worry, they'll quickly trash the place and soon all of them will be dead." (What I told the judge the last time I was hauled in for freeway blogging.)
heh heh, cool story, oowolf. I'm imagine the judge looked at you, maybe raised one eyebrow, and sighed. But then he had fun that night at the dinner table talking about it.') "Haven't you heard, psychotic monkeys have taken over planet Earth! But don't worry, they'll quickly trash the place and soon all of them will be dead." (What I told the judge the last time I was hauled in for freeway blogging.)
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Re: Torture . . . oh, what monsters we be
by kpeavey » Fri 29 Aug 2008, 20:28:05
When the ends justify the means, torture is allowed. In an enlightened democracy, it is the means which is important. Removing the limits on behavior to allow torture removes limits to government control. It also reduces us all just a little as our collective ideals erode.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alexander Tyler, in his 1770 book, Cycle of Democracy,', 'A') democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over a louse fiscal responsibility, always followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world's great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Alexander Tyler, in his 1770 book, Cycle of Democracy,', 'A') democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising them the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that a democracy always collapses over a louse fiscal responsibility, always followed by a dictatorship. The average of the world's great civilizations before they decline has been 200 years. These nations have progressed in this sequence:
From bondage to spiritual faith;
from spiritual faith to great courage;
from courage to liberty;
from liberty to abundance;
from abundance to selfishness;
from selfishness to complacency;
from complacency to apathy;
from apathy to dependency;
from dependency back again to bondage.
The erosion of our ideals is the path by which we return to oppression. Torture, then, becomes a means to an end. That end, however, is not democracy, but Tyranny.
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Re: Torture . . . oh, what monsters we be
by Heineken » Sat 30 Aug 2008, 22:43:07
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dr_Jekyll', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'I')t certainly disturbs me, Warrior.
The horrors we know about are only the iceberg's tip compared with what happens and is never discovered.
The horrors we know about are only the iceberg's tip compared with what happens and is never discovered.
Maybe you need to stop drinking.
Maybe I don't drink ENOUGH.
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