[jlw61]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', 'I')ts also official terrorists kill Americans and others.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', 'I') agree it's terrible, we should decapitate heads and cut off hands like the Arabs.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joeltrout', 'I')ts also official terrorists kill Americans and others.

joeltrout

[ccricers]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', 'I') agree it's terrible, we should decapitate heads and cut off hands like the Arabs.

[mekrob]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ccricers', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', 'I') agree it's terrible, we should decapitate heads and cut off hands like the Arabs.

[ccricers]

I don't really see a difference morally speaking. Whether it's from practicing human rights in Afghanistan, or being unlucky enough to be jumped by a robber in a deserted area, being faced with death is not justifiable.

My question was mostly aimed rhetorically at the group of people that are quick to use "golden rule" rebuttal. Where someone would argue how "backwards" Arab nations are, they are countered with a group of people that say how the US military is even more backwards Therefore implying that the US has no reason to dispute human rights in other countries if they can't fix themselves first.

To them I want to say that hypocrisy is impossible to avoid in organizations such as a national government. It is very hard for them to follow through their words and laws all the time, much less something as basic as the "golden rule".

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mekrob', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ccricers', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NTBKtrader', 'I') agree it's terrible, we should decapitate heads and cut off hands like the Arabs.

[mattduke]

"It seems to me you have to say, as unlikely as that is, it would be absurd to say you couldn't, I don't know, stick something under the fingernail, smack him in the face. It would be absurd to say you couldn't do that," Scalia told British Broadcasting Radio Corp.

link

[Novus]

When Bush and Co are finally put on trial for their war crimes may Judge Scalia hang with them.

[shakespear1]

It looks like someone in private industry got the idea to use waterboarding.

Fox does not lie

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', ' A supervisor at a motivational coaching business in Utah allegedly used waterboarding on a member of his sales team to motivate staff, according to a lawsuit filed by an employee, the Salt Lake Tribune reports.')

[mattduke]

Government "Torture Music" : link

[jupiters_release]

How many people every day work under fluorescent lighting and microwave their brains talking on their cell phones? Or the trend on emitting wi-fi in public areas including parks? What effect does popular music, all completely digital now, have on the youth today. Cancer business is very profitable and weakens the population. Billions of dollars on cancer (development) research. TPTB were quick to ban Lakhovsky's multi-wave oscillator when they found out it was curing cancer over half a century ago.

Anthropologically, biologically, and culturally speaking, spiritual nihilism of people is much worse than physical genocide.

[FourOfSwords]

'Anthropologically, biologically, and culturally speaking, spiritual nihilism of people is much worse than physical genocide' ~ Jupiters release, I like this saying...
...unfortunately it is all too true.
Alex

[hironegro]

It seems like the militarisation of our law enforcement agencies in the long run.

[Zeeea]

violence incites violence from the sheer fear of the possible ...the more that is acceptable the more fearful people become ...hence torture becomes acceptable because it is effective ...what could be feared more than being held down for others to do as they wish when you cant retaliate ...really they are nothing but terrorists when they do things like that ...noone should have that right ...it not only proves lack of self control but just how cruel humans can be ...

Its just another power trip ...

Its a proven fact anyone is capable of anything when put in the right enviroment. Most humans do not have the courage to face a another with enough of their own conviction to say no and so will just do as they are told in general ...especially in the workforce ...if you dont want to lose your job, you have to go ahead with what they say right, whether you like it or not ...and thats why there are people willing to participate in these tortures ...they want to eat dont they ...thats why its easy for some else to give the orders but not perform the deed ...or for the tortures to give some idiotic reason to why they think torture is acceptable and that their well being is more important than the human they are torturing ...

Its easy for someone else to say do this do that, and you do this and you do that for them, and then at the end of the day is more proof to show we should not give such powers to individuals who are in lack control of their own actions let alone be responsible for the actions of others ...

maybe if people stuck to what they enjoyed doing instead of being made to behave in a manner that makes someone else happy, theyd be happy ...?

this really is a f**ked up world were living in ...

[Heineken]

I just finished watching the movie "Braveheart" and was considerably shaken by the torture scenes at the end, when William Wallace is put to death. He is hung by a rope and then cut down while still alive, quartered (his limbs stretched in all four directions by horses), eviscerated with surgical-type tools, and finally beheaded.

This got me to thinking about torture in general. Well-wrought scenes like those in "Braveheart" give some sense of what experiencing this ultimate horror must be like.
Then I did a little Wikipedia research and learned more about torture. William Wallace got off fairly easily, at least in the movie (in real life some of his organs were removed and burned before him, apparently). People have invented and manufactured an incredible array of torture technology and devices, from thumbscrews to tasers. It is a branch of human knowledge to which considerable thought has been devoted.

I've seen worse things, such as in a gangster movie in which a guy's head is put in a vise and slowly crushed. Almost unbearable to watch.

This stuff is still going on, all around us, in the basement next door, secret CIA prisons, weird churches . . .

Sometimes it's depressing and shameful just being part of the human race. Why did we have to be this way. Sometimes I long for death as a means of separating myself from my own kind. But no torture, please! link

[Jack]

Torture is merely a means to an end.

It has been and is used to accomplish some end regarded as a greater good. That's why it will always be used.

I suspect the problem is deeper than mere humanity. It lies in the moral sense - the ability to judge "right" and "wrong", and to assign different values to various acts. You can find its roots in classical utilitarianism, as espoused by Bentham and Mills; likewise, Kantian ethics, with an emphasis on duty could lead to the same outcome.

Ironic, is it not? A moral sense is a source of pride to humanity, and is supposed to be what divides men from beasts - and yet, the emotional forces released by the moral sense must surely lead to all the worst abuses.

[eXpat]

That is proof to me, that unfortunally there are people out there (and not just a few, in my experience) that are hard wired to inflict pain on others and enjoy it.
It doesn´t has to do with race, education, cultural setup or anything, that people is just born that way.

[Roccland]

We are born to torture.

Watch kids...lighting cats tails on fire...pulling the freckled kids hair...

We are hard wired to do bad things to others.

This is why the elite believe we need to be governed...they are saving us from ourselves.

[Heineken]

I don't know how to react emotionally to your comments, Jack. They leave me sort of blank . . . perhaps a bit uneasy. Well, you're the Dark Lord, after all.

I don't think torture is always a means to an end---or, if it is, that the means is justified by the end in 99.9% of cases. To me the barbarous and cowardly act of torture transcends almost any reasonable "end."

The ends to which torture are often put are not a "greater good." Think gangsters, for example. I bet if you asked a gangster practicing torture if he's doing it for a "greater good," he'd laugh in your face.

Torture is practiced not only to extract information (often for nefarious or meaningless purposes), but also for revenge or sheer enjoyment.

I'd feel far better about being human if, as individuals and as a species, we were incapable of such behavior.