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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Postby timmac » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 01:27:48

I would not say that the high price of food is the main problem here in Haiti,, there goverment has been broke and corupt for many years now,, presidents in the past have been removed, killed or just up and left over the many problems in this country, high oil and food is just showing how bad there goverment, economy and social problems really are,, high oil is going to cause problems with corupt and bad economy goverments first before it starts it's toll on wealther goverments.........Haiti has had simaler problems like this in the past............
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Postby CarlosFerreira » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 05:40:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timmac', 'I') would not say that the high price of food is the main problem here in Haiti,, there goverment has been broke and corupt for many years now,, presidents in the past have been removed, killed or just up and left over the many problems in this country, high oil and food is just showing how bad there goverment, economy and social problems really are,, high oil is going to cause problems with corupt and bad economy goverments first before it starts it's toll on wealther goverments.........Haiti has had simaler problems like this in the past............


Sure they have. They can't produce locally to feed people because their ecosystem is so damaged, they have corrupted leaderships, they have unfriendly neighbors, they have lost the ability (money) to trade with friendly neighbors... right now, nobody cares.
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Postby steam_cannon » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 11:27:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'T')here's nothing like the specter of people eating mud cakes to rally all
the sociopaths at PO.com to a thread. Well done. The idea of anyone
having to eat mud evokes compassion in most of us, but glee in others.

I wouldn't say glee, but I do get a certain satisfaction out of their
ingenuity and their contribution to knowledge proving this food can be
tolerated as a large part of a humans diet. I'm certainly adding this
to my doomer cookbook... :roll:

Another thing to think about, if you cooked up a few of these, they
would make an excellent talking point if you were holding a fund raiser
or soliciting donations. Donate $10 and get a cookie that can
sit on your mantel for years and years. It sounds a little funny but as
you said, that would probably evoke a great deal of compassion.
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Postby threadbear » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 17:55:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('perdition79', 'I') can understand the mud cakes as a food source.

Occasionally, at the fertilizer plants I service, I haul limestone -- calcium carbonate. It's an ingredient in animal feed, as well as a component of these Haitian mud cakes being discussed. From what I've observed, it's a pretty good food source. The caked-up lime dust around the silos is food for palmetto bugs, and these bugs are twice the size of normal palmetto bugs. They're almost the size of a mouse, without a tail, just from eating limestone.

When it comes to survival, gastronomy is pretty far down on the priorities list.


Mudcakes provide a few necessary elements and minerals but they are hardly nutritious. I take calcium pills but I'd hardly eat them for dinner!
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Postby steam_cannon » Wed 30 Jul 2008, 19:39:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') take calcium pills but I'd hardly eat them for dinner!
I don't know, I hear the chocolate ones are pretty good...

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Just deviling ya threadbear... :roll:
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Postby section451 » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 17:24:20

Should we start getting worried about Peak Mud ? :wink: :wink:
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Postby steam_cannon » Thu 31 Jul 2008, 18:13:50

A couple videos

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOhI79CiBUM]Video: A family makes cakes from mud in Haiti
Ingredients: Mud (boil first?), Water, Salt, Lemon, Butter

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This has been a practice as far I can remember in Haiti. The mud the
people are using is called "Argile" which is most used for health
reason. It is even sold in Pharmacies in power form (Product of
France. People do facials with it, use it skin problem and of course
they eat it too as you can see.

This practice is not a result of the food shortages in Haiti.

This is just an FYI.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')url=http://tinyurl.com/5kdkwx]National Geographic Video: Clay Eating Discouraged

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November 8, 2007—Poverty and tradition drive some Haitians to eat
cakes of clay, salt, and butter. Nutritionists fight local beliefs about
the dish's merits.
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A new food staple.. Mud Cakes!

Postby Serial_Worrier » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 17:16:28

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/ju ... evelopment

"It is not for the taste and nutrition - smidgins of salt and margarine do not disguise what is essentially dirt, and the Guardian can testify that the aftertaste lingers - but because they are the cheapest and increasingly only way to fill bellies."

Coming to a grocer soon.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
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Re: A new food staple.. Mud Cakes!

Postby mos6507 » Thu 21 Aug 2008, 22:21:03

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Serial_Worrier', '
')Coming to a grocer soon.... :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


I'd prefer soylent green.
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Ravaged environment keeps Haiti at risk

Postby Ache » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 16:50:20

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Re: Ravaged environment keeps Haiti at risk

Postby mos6507 » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 17:02:35

Easter Island for the 21st century which we can watch die in realtime.
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Re: Ravaged environment keeps Haiti at risk

Postby Fishman » Tue 14 Oct 2008, 20:32:44

The environment is going to take a hit with this economic crisis also. Hard to institute cap and trade or the like if people are screaming for jobs.
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Re: Ravaged environment keeps Haiti at risk

Postby dohboi » Wed 15 Oct 2008, 18:31:28

There is a very dramatic line across that island that speaks volumes, visible from space.

Most of the most worst economic and politically chaotic places in the world are places that had been ecologically destroyed--Darfur, Somalia, Haiti...

Many more will follow soon.
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Haiti's man-made environmental catastrophe

Postby Rod_Cloutier » Thu 19 Feb 2009, 23:05:42

Haiti can to be taken to be an example of the worlds worst current man made enviromental disaster site. The country is so poor, deforested, and polluted that this country stands as the ultimate worst case senario for what mankind can do to the Earth. A recent article below says people have become so desperate for fuel that they are even cutting down fruit bearing trees for firewood- as an ultimate and suicidal race to the bottom occurs:

http://www.foei.org/en/who-we-are/testimonies/aldrin

However, even with the current state of the World; the financial meltdown, climate change, over-population and pollution ect., most of the world is not like Haiti. It would take additional decades of bad choices and diasters for most of the world to resemble the current condition of Haiti. Hopefully that situation will not happen. So even with all the current world troubles we can still thank that most of the world is in better condition than Haiti- and count our blessings!
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Re: Haiti's man made enviromental catastrophy

Postby cipi604 » Fri 20 Feb 2009, 02:15:35

Remember easter island? Ok .

They got what they deserve.
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Re: Haiti's man made enviromental catastrophy

Postby Ludi » Fri 20 Feb 2009, 14:18:57

So you're saying the Haitians, who were dragged there in chains as slaves, deserve their fate.

Ok. :|
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Re: Haiti's man made enviromental catastrophy

Postby Tanada » Fri 20 Feb 2009, 18:55:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o you're saying the Haitians, who were dragged there in chains as slaves, deserve their fate.

Ok. :|


Haiti has been an independent country since about 1802 so yes Ludi, their fate is what they made of it. There has been plenty of time for the residents to learn how to live there, the Dominican Republic on the other 80% of the island doesn't have anything like the horrible problems Haiti has.
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Re: Haiti's man made enviromental catastrophy

Postby Pretorian » Fri 20 Feb 2009, 20:14:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o you're saying the Haitians, who were dragged there in chains as slaves, deserve their fate. Ok. :|

They turned the richest colony that France ever had into the biggest and deepest shithole that ever existed in the New World, btw. They stripped a tropic paradise of its beauty and made human meat out of it. Its a pity the Nature is not done with them yet.
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Re: Haiti's man made enviromental catastrophy

Postby Pretorian » Fri 20 Feb 2009, 20:19:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'S')o you're saying the Haitians, who were dragged there in chains as slaves, deserve their fate. Ok. :|
Haiti has been an independent country since about 1802 so yes Ludi, their fate is what they made of it. There has been plenty of time for the residents to learn how to live there, the Dominican Republic on the other 80% of the island doesn't have anything like the horrible problems Haiti has.

Well lets be fair, they can't compete properly with D. Republic, so there is no fare comparison. And Dominicans are heading to the same tunnel with no way out.
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Re: Haiti's man made enviromental catastrophy

Postby Vogelzang » Tue 07 Jul 2009, 21:57:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Repent', 'H')aiti can to be taken to be an example of the worlds worst current man made enviromental disaster site. The country is so poor, deforested, and polluted that this country stands as the ultimate worst case senario for what mankind can do to the Earth. A recent article below says people have become so desperate for fuel that they are even cutting down fruit bearing trees for firewood- as an ultimate and suicidal race to the bottom occurs:

http://www.foei.org/en/who-we-are/testimonies/aldrin

However, even with the current state of the World; the financial meltdown, climate change, over-population and pollution ect., most of the world is not like Haiti. It would take additional decades of bad choices and diasters for most of the world to resemble the current condition of Haiti. Hopefully that situation will not happen. So even with all the current world troubles we can still thank that most of the world is in better condition than Haiti- and count our blessings!



In another thread you lied about how the US discriminates against black people more than Canadians. Now you rant about how the black people of Haiti are killing themselves because of their incompetence. The Haitians kicked out all of the white people and now are dying off.
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