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Re: Haiti Food Riots Raw Footage

Unread postby mikeflecheer » Tue 15 Apr 2008, 22:11:16

Will you all be bored when there is no one to argue with any more?
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Re: Haiti Food Riots Raw Footage

Unread postby eastbay » Wed 16 Apr 2008, 00:01:54

And no one to call nasty names. Diversity of perspective makes this place the greatest!

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Nice to have those with minority perspectives. It reminds us all we have freedom of thought and speech, well, we mostly do anyhow.

My brand of socialism will include basic freedoms, such as speech, btw.
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Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soars

Unread postby some_guy282 » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 08:59:07

From: The Guardian.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')rittle and gritty - and as revolting as they sound - these are "mud cakes". For years they have been consumed by impoverished pregnant women seeking calcium, a risky and medically unproven supplement, but now the cakes have become a staple for entire families.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '&')quot;It stops the hunger," said Marie-Carmelle Baptiste, 35, a producer, eyeing up her stock laid out in rows. She did not embroider their appeal. "You eat them when you have to."
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'H')aiti's woes stem from global economic trends of higher oil and food prices, plus reduced remittances from migrant relatives affected by the US downturn. What makes the country especially vulnerable, however, is its almost total reliance on food imports.

Anyone care to speculate on the nutritional implications of eatting mud cakes? It might stop the hunger, but if there's little or nothing in it for your body to break down and use I'd think that it would be counter productive - your body is using energy to digest the stuff and getting nothing out of it in return....

With the exception of Cuba, it looks like the Caribbean is in for a world of hurt. Most of their economies are dependent on tourism from wealthier nations and family members sending what money they can from the US. Those are both going to be drying up. On top of that, they're overpopulated and not self sufficient with food.
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby Commanding_Heights » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 09:06:49

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', 'F')rom The Guardian. --snip-- Anyone care to speculate on the nutritional implications of eatting mud cakes? It might stop the hunger, but if there's little or nothing in it for your body to break down and use I'd think that it would be counter productive - your body is using energy to digest the stuff and getting nothing out of it in return....
With the exception of Cuba, it looks like the Caribbean is in for a world of hurt. Most of their economies are dependent on tourism from wealthier nations and family members sending what money they can from the US. Those are both going to be drying up. On top of that, they're overpopulated and not self sufficient with food.

This would also introduce worms into the digestive system. Just what they need when starving, something leeching nourishment out of their body.
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby MadScientist » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 09:19:33

nice indicator of the things people will do when theyre starving. Lock down your garden.
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby emersonbiggins » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 09:22:47

Mud cakes... I wonder if Bernanke is taking notes and substituting these into the lowest rung of the food component of the CPI?

"Inflation is tame, as Americans overwhelmingly switched from eating steak and ground beef to mud." :roll:
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby dorlomin » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 10:12:53

:cool: look at how much mud there. What ABUNDANCE! No one who matters is suffering are they? :mad:
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby Byron100 » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 10:17:44

Too bad someone can't wave a magic wand and make it so every single Haitian has a handgun and plenty of bullets.

This won't put more food in their mouths, but it'd sure as heck take care of the overpopulation problem...hehe. :razz:
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby f2tornado » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 10:17:45

Haiti is a prime example of what happens when the environment gets so severely degraded it can no longer support the population living there. Haiti was about 1/3 forest in 1940 but is now less than 2% and that number continues to fall. Forest destruction combined with unsustainable agricultural practice has lead to severe soil erosion. In some areas the soil has eroded to the bedrock. Mix in some tropical storms and you get severe flooding with enormous human toll. The situation next door in the Dominican is far better but not free of problem. The DR has a solidly growing economy but electricity distribution is problematic. One island, two societies with vastly different outcomes. I'm sure some sociology student is writing a thesis on this now.
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 10:34:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('f2tornado', 'H')aiti is a prime example of what happens when the environment gets so severely degraded it can no longer support the population living there. Haiti was about 1/3 forest in 1940 but is now less than 2% and that number continues to fall. Forest destruction combined with unsustainable agricultural practice has lead to severe soil erosion. In some areas the soil has eroded to the bedrock. Mix in some tropical storms and you get severe flooding with enormous human toll. The situation next door in the Dominican is far better but not free of problem. The DR has a solidly growing economy but electricity distribution is problematic. One island, two societies with vastly different outcomes. I'm sure some sociology student is writing a thesis on this now.


I suppose you have read Jarod Diamond's Collapse. It depicts everything you talked about.

That's the kind of world that I worry about, post-peak. I won't go into discussing the matter of nutritional implications. It's enough to say no human being should have to eat mud to quell the hunger.

What I ask is how fair this system of tearing down the import tariffs so the EU and US can essentially flood poor countries with cheap, financed food, in order to disrupt the local agricultural economy and now leave these people out of the food market as prices grew higher? Back to Jarod Diamond, the Dominican Republic and the US can't be the life-raft for all the hurting, starving people. Their population growth was probably helped by cheap, easily available food and lack of family planning. Sometimes, condoms and the pill are a greater help than just food. Not now, though.
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 11:37:04

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic36052-0.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') feel sorry for the people in the Dominican Republic. They inhabit the same island, but are slightly better off. 848 people per square km, slightly better off in infant mortality, and slightly less poor, population rate about 1.5%, better off, but not much. Can you guess what is going to happen?
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby steam_cannon » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 12:02:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', '[')b]Anyone care to speculate on the nutritional implications of eating mud
cakes? It might stop the hunger, but if there's little or nothing in it for
your body to break down and use I'd think that it would be counter
productive - your body is using energy to digest the stuff and getting
nothing out of it in return....
They are made of calcium rich clay, salt and cooking oils. The cooking
oil adds a lot of calories to the "cookies" and the salt is needed too.
They aren't what I would call healthfood, but it's not energy negative
like eating grass clippings. They certainly have nutritional value.

Regarding worms, I've heard this concern come up before, but from
what I've read the clays are deep and old so unless we're talking
fossil worms that's probably not an issue. Eating a bowl of rice or
something on a regular basis with little or no protein in and of itself
isn't healthy. But supplementing between meals with calories rich
oils and necessary minerals, honestly this is probably saving lives.

Grass clippings and cooking oil would probably save lives too. I think
the thing to keep in mind is the clay is acting as a medium to make
cheap high calorie cooking oil more consumable.

Recipe
* Calcium rich clay
* salt
* vegetable shortening
* (Also you might want to add fiber like grass clippings or sawdust)
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')img]http://i37.tinypic.com/2m8607r.jpg[/img]

The mud has long been prized by pregnant women and children
here as an antacid and source of calcium. But in places such as Cite
Soleil, the oceanside slum where Charlene shares a two-room
house with her baby, five siblings, and two unemployed parents,
cookies made of [s]dirt[/s] (clay), salt, and vegetable shortening have become a
regular meal.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news ... eatin.html

Eating clay in the United States
A lot of western media refer to the cookies as being made of dirt,
but clay is really the right word and eating clay is not unusual in the US.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ost people who eat [s]dirt[/s] (clay) live in Central Africa and the
Southern United States...

...In Africa, pregnant and lactating women are able to satisfy the
very different nutritional needs of their bodies by eating clay. Often,
the clay comes from favored clay pits and it is sold at market in a
variety of sizes and with differing content of minerals. After
purchase, the clays are stored in a belt-like cloth around the waist
and eaten as desired and often without water. The "cravings" in
pregnancy for a varied nutritional intake (during pregnancy, the
body requires 20% more nutrients and 50% more during lactation)
are solved by geophagy...

http://geography.about.com/cs/culturalg ... ophagy.htm

Unusual bread ingredients: rice husks, china clay, and sawdust
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]PORTUGUESE EATING CLAY AND SAWDUST.

Find that Their Bread Is Adulterated -- Some Loaves Are 53 Per Cent. China Clay.

LONDON, Aug. 25. -- The Tlmes's correspondent at Oporto says that
the Portuguese, who are not allowed to import foreign flour, have
just discovered that they have been living on bread adulterated
with such things as ground rice husks, china clay, and sawdust.

http://tinyurl.com/5r86tf
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby CarlosFerreira » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 12:04:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', 'h')ttp://www.peakoil.com/fortopic36052-0.html

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') feel sorry for the people in the Dominican Republic. They inhabit the same island, but are slightly better off. 848 people per square km, slightly better off in infant mortality, and slightly less poor, population rate about 1.5%, better off, but not much. Can you guess what is going to happen?


From life-raft to death trap.

Me and a friend, we have this theory that, as pressure increases in Mediterranean Europe against immigrants from Norther Africa, things are going to get ugly. Population explosion is a tremendous problem for both sides.
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby steam_cannon » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 12:09:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pup55', '[')b]Food too expensive, time to eat dirt
http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic36052-0.html
It's been posted about before so we might want to merge these threads,
but I think "Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar"
is a better title, so I would actually suggest merging the other thread here...

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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby Schneider » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 13:22:55

Earthworms cultures out of inedible vegetables scrap could help for the proteins.

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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby steam_cannon » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 17:30:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schneider', 'E')arthworms cultures out of inedible vegetables scrap could help for the proteins.

No, i'm not kidding :(..
You ain't the first to think about that... :roll:
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 20:35:48

Its good to be at the top of the economic scale.
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby threadbear » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 20:43:23

There's nothing like the specter of people eating mud cakes to rally all the sociopaths at PO.com to a thread. Well done. The idea of anyone having to eat mud evokes compassion in most of us, but glee in others.
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby Specop_007 » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 21:07:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'T')here's nothing like the specter of people eating mud cakes to rally all the sociopaths at PO.com to a thread. Well done. The idea of anyone having to eat mud evokes compassion in most of us, but glee in others.


Perhaps you're reading a different thread then I am....I see no glee.....
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Re: Haiti: Mud cakes become staple diet as cost of food soar

Unread postby perdition79 » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 22:46:16

I can understand the mud cakes as a food source.

Occasionally, at the fertilizer plants I service, I haul limestone -- calcium carbonate. It's an ingredient in animal feed, as well as a component of these Haitian mud cakes being discussed. From what I've observed, it's a pretty good food source. The caked-up lime dust around the silos is food for palmetto bugs, and these bugs are twice the size of normal palmetto bugs. They're almost the size of a mouse, without a tail, just from eating limestone.

When it comes to survival, gastronomy is pretty far down on the priorities list.
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