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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Muckingfess » Wed 23 Jul 2008, 23:16:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mack12345', '
') Its easier to buy 3 cans of spam and toss them in the cubbord and forget about them .. esp if your a once a month fixed income shopper .Then 3 weeks later remove them at your lesiure 1 can at a time for a meal .
As opposed to buying/freezeing a whole roster chicken .. when then 3 weeks later needs to be thawed .. cooked "all at once" and then consumed in its entirety relitively quickly before it begins to spoil .
In short I would contend that it is the poorest amoungst us that are currently being driven to the beginings of desperation "mosly fixed income disabled/elderly" . For them I think that a canned meat "IE spam" is a more viable alternitive to some of the cheeper fresh meats .
Most of these people are mainly only feeding 1 or maybe 2 mouths .. so sometimes cooking a full chicken/turkey can seem counter productive .


Bingo! I'm on fixed income, shop once a month, and it IS easier to buy the Spam. Less dishes to do, less waste, easier to cook. I will occasionally buy a brisket, cook it in the slow cooker or pit, and eat off it for a week. I hate wasting food and doing dishes.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby bruce2288 » Thu 24 Jul 2008, 01:16:23

This also true for most lunch meat.. You can buy a chicken, ham or pork shoulder for less than the price ofmost convenience meats. In my opinion have a much better sandwich. In the grocery meat case looking at the amount of prepared offering, ie stuffed pork chops, bacon wrappe fillets, stuffed chicken breasts , priced at a premium. Also the amount of deli food being checked out , the majority of people are not price constrained in their food shopping. my opinion only.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Jenab6 » Thu 24 Jul 2008, 02:34:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')hanks for this interesting post, Mack, and for the time and effort you put into it.

Those "stealth" price increases are awfully disturbing. One wonders where they will eventually lead---to cans of tuna the size of bottle caps?

This is happening to lots of grocery items.

Those "Ritz" type buttery crackers used to come with 160 crackers per box; i.e., four cellophane tubes each with 40 crackers. At some point, they deleted one cellophane tube, but did not reduce the price by so much as 25%, meaning that the cost per gram of cracker went up. Then they started shorting the cellophane tubes: rather than filling them up with 40 crackers each, the average is now 35 crackers per tube, with the usual range being 33-37. Yesterday, I found a tube with only 32 crackers in it. Yes, I count them, every time. And of course the price rises, too.

So, assuming a 50% increase in price since they started reducing the quantity of the product, the price per gram of cracker has risen by 129%. That's not the whole story on the crackers, of course. At some point, they started using cheaper ingredients: the saltiness of the cracker is real, but the buttery flavor is mostly an illusion caused by a chemical that smells vaguely like butter which is sprayed on the crackers. This perfume makes you think you're tasting butter.

We all know what has happened to loaves of bread, don't we? This year the length shrinks. The year after the bread is sliced thinner than it ever was before. The year after that the bread is baked so that it has larger holes, so you get more air, less bread, even though the package stays the same size. The year after that the price goes up a lot instead of a little. And the following year we're back to shrinking the loaf again and the cycle repeats.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Jenab6 » Thu 24 Jul 2008, 02:54:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cube', 'I')'m a firm believer in PO and the great die-off, but I never understood some of the people on this site who have a fixation for hoarding 1,000 lbs worth of food and keeping it in long term storage.
Ahh, but now you touched what it is to be human. Humanitarian gestures only go so far, and individualism and egotistic self-preservation precede it.

Counting up everything, I've got considerably more than a thousand pounds of stored food. And I've learned how to forage, in particular about milkweed: the wild asparagus that just keeps on giving, as long as you're careful not to snap off the top of the plant. I've harvested from the same plants three times, and my latest pot of milkweed leaves is freshly stewed in my three-gallon pressure cooker.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby FoolYap » Thu 24 Jul 2008, 07:24:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mack12345', 'D')id a little math on this ... in my area the price of a 12 oz can of spam runs as cheep as 2.12 and as high as 2.36 .
Indeed whole roster chickens are cheeper .. in the 1.40 per lb range .. as is Ground beef and turkey.
I think though as best as I can tell those are just about the only fresh meat products than can under-cut spam at this time .
Pork chops , Pork or beef roasts , Ribs , Steaks , ect are all much higher in price .


It may be a regional thing, but I'm still seeing cheaper cuts of beef (shoulder steaks for example) going for $1.99/lb on sale. Boneless pork loin is still commonly to be had on sale for $1.79/lb. The cheaper grades of beef are pretty tough, so I use them in dishes like chili where I can cook 'em for a long time.

I appreciate the response, and I understand you're just the messenger. :-) It does make sense that the convenience and relatively long shelf-life of Spam once opened would make it a good trade-off in the minds of some. I guess I just can't get over the fact that it's a pretty low-grade meat, selling for more than alternatives that are both healthier and cheaper.

And I can see that a whole chicken might be difficult for one person to eat before it spoils. Here's how I deal with that: I roast the bird. I pluck the carcass clean. If I want some chicken for the day's meal then I set it aaside, otherwise I grind up all the meat, in a food processor. I divide up the ground cooked meat into freezer bags, with each one holding enough meat to make a week's worth of chicken salad. Then I freeze everything but "this week's" salad-fixings. I've been doing it for years, haven't ever had any problems. Doesn't take much time to do. And I can boil down the bones for either an immediate soup (toss in some rice & vegetables, and a handful of the dark meat scraps), or for chicken broth that I can freeze for later, much cheaper than cans of stock in the store.

I guess I've never priced out the per-pound cost of my chicken salad. I use real mayonnaise, and chopped parsley, and ground fresh pepper. But I'd bet money it's cheaper than lunch meat.

And, I could eat fresh meat on a more basic level. I could be (and am) buying boneless pork loins, and freezing it in small portions that I could cook & eat as needed.

A 5 cubic foot chest freezer is nearly dirt cheap these days, and doesn't take up much space or use that much power when full. If I was needing to keep my food budget to a minimum, I'd work hard to save to buy such a freezer. I had one for years that did yeoman duty, before trading up to a 14cf freezer a few years ago.

Again, I know you're not advocating anything, just the messenger. I just can't help but wonder whether people buying Spam are thinking these things through. If they actually like the greasy stuff, well that's different. 8)

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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby jlw61 » Thu 24 Jul 2008, 08:27:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoolYap', 'A')gain, I know you're not advocating anything, just the messenger. I just can't help but wonder whether people buying Spam are thinking these things through. If they actually like the greasy stuff, well that's different. 8)


1) Spam requires no refridgeration until it's opened.
2) Spam keeps forever.
3) Spam is a "known factor", in otherwords you know exactly what you get every time you open it.
4) Spam is useful:
* Prop up a broken chair leg.
* Poison a neighbor's dog.
* It's better than scrapple.
* Use it to convince the zombies you have no food.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby FoolYap » Thu 24 Jul 2008, 09:21:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jlw61', '4')) Spam is useful:
* Prop up a broken chair leg.
* Poison a neighbor's dog.
* It's better than scrapple.
* Use it to convince the zombies you have no food.


:lol:

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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Gothor » Thu 24 Jul 2008, 23:31:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'W')hy the hell can't you get lemon juice anymore?

It seems always to be OS.


we can't get bag lemons in produce anymore...


Jeez hate to bump this but couldn't get past being pissed off with this situation. I live in Florida, plenty of lemons in the stores but they cost 3/1.99! I mean JC, WTF, OMG. But seriously, I'm planting trees as soon as someone has a sale as they (ones that will produce before I bit the dust), the trees, are quite expensive.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Barbara » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 06:37:12

A question from a dumb European:

are they shrinking boxes but leaving the price as it is????
:shock: :shock:

This is illegal here. You must write the price per kilo by law. So people can do the math instantly. Shrinking boxes of 10 or 20% is illegal.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Byron100 » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 07:02:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barbara', 'A') question from a dumb European:

are they shrinking boxes but leaving the price as it is????
:shock: :shock:

This is illegal here. You must write the price per kilo by law. So people can do the math instantly. Shrinking boxes of 10 or 20% is illegal.


I wish they'd do that here too... :evil:

Nothing makes me more angry than the feeling of being ripped off by paying more for less. At the very least, can't they be upfront and just raise prices and keep the same size? This "shrinkage" thing is just plain nasty, it really is. Kinda like the scam B & D pulled a few years back with their "Versa" (sp?) line of tools with those rechargeable batteries. I fell for this scam by buying a lot of these "wonderful" tools, only to find that the rechargeable batteries became useless after only a few dozen recharges, and when I went to get replacement ones, they were horribly, outrageously expensive. Boy, I was steamed...how sneaky of them to pull this sh*t...ugh! :-x Never again will I buy a B & D product again (all those tools have long since been tossed in the garbage).

I urge all of you that are confronted with smaller ice cream containers and Incredible Shrinking Cereal boxes....don't buy it! Just get something else, or do without.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby skeptik » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 07:18:47

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barbara', 'A') question from a dumb European:

are they shrinking boxes but leaving the price as it is????
:shock: :shock:

This is illegal here. You must write the price per kilo by law. So people can do the math instantly. Shrinking boxes of 10 or 20% is illegal.

No, its not illegal, but as you say the price per kilo, liter, etc has to be displayed. on the racks price ticket.

A few months ago Mercadonna (large Spanish supermarket chain) redesigned all their jam jars. New trendier design, which looks the same size as the old jar, but which is slightly smaller in content. During one week both jars were being stocked next to each other! same ticket price - but on the small print you could clearly see the higher price per kilo on the rack ticket under the new jars. Needless to say, the old jars sold out really fast!

Doesn't seem to be too widespread though. Large size Cornflakes still come in a 500gram pack... Juice still comes in 1 liter cartons, though my favourite, fresh pressed muscatel grape juice from the chiller cabinet, has gone up in price from €1.00 to €1.38 per liter in the last year and a half
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby skeptik » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 07:39:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Mack12345', '
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I am thinking of going cold turkey again starting at 6am est july,17th . I need to quit these things , it scares me how strong there grip over me is .


Talk to your doctor and see if you are suitable for a 7 week course of Zyban (also goes under the name of Zyntabac) . Kills the craving and gets you through the cold turkey period. May not be suitable if you are highly strung or are already on certain other meds.

worked for me after several failed attempts over the years.

Can produce adverse side effects in some people so must be taken under medical supervision.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby VMarcHart » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 07:51:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barbara', 'W')hy are they shrinking boxes but leaving the price as it is? This is illegal here. You must write the price per kilo by law. So people can do the math instantly. Shrinking boxes of 10 or 20% is illegal.
Whereas US grocery shops do show prices per unit, weigh, volume, etc, there is no law here, or in Europe for that matter, against the manufactureur decreasing the size of the package, or increasing the price. You can pack a can of 100g of tuna for 5 Euros, or the 80g can for the same price. Just don't put the 2 side-by-side, because you wouldn't look too smart.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby FoolYap » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 09:21:59

Boneless pork loin on sale here for $1.29/lb this week...

I assume prices like this are loss-leaders for a store? Can't be much, if any profit in it.

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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby JJ » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 09:32:58

work in produce department.
angry customers daily; get cussed out weekly.
yesterday customer wants to know why our produce is always wilted; why our grocery store doesn't use refrigerated trucks.
rants for a while, then i tell her to go somewhere where she'll be happy to shop.
customer gets manager; I have to apologize for being rude.
manager says don't mention gas prices, oil prices, grocery prices; stress how cheap our store is and how much money we are saving them. (?)
(potatoes 2.99 to 7.99 for eight pound bag) coconut milk (which we use a lot of) 2.19 a can, same .70 a can in Austin.

let the lying/deception begin. (although guess we've been doing it for awhile)
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby VMarcHart » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 09:38:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JJ', '.')..customer gets manager; I have to apologize for being rude. manager says don't mention gas prices, oil prices, grocery prices; stress how cheap our store is and how much money we are saving them. (?)
JJ, "Dr Phil" here, keep your job. It's going to be harder and harder from now on to find a new one.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby MarkJ » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 10:22:14

Here's a typical meat department sale in my region of Upstate New York.

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Sales of SPAM must be regional since SPAM doesn't move well in my region due to the relatively high price.

We generally stock up on chicken and/or pork when it goes on sale every couple weeks.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby TWilliam » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 13:29:01

You know when it comes down to it, these sorts of manipulations aren't a new thing. Reducing packaged weight has been a standard method of passing on price increases for years. Someone posted a pic upthread of the Breyer's ice cream containers going from 1.75 down to 1.5 quarts. Maybe they've forgotten that it used to be a half gallon?

Another similar tactic relates to the nutritional content labeling. When concerns arise over, for example, the sodium content of an item, the manufacturer might reduce the 'Serving Size' listed on the label, thus giving the illusion that the product has less sodium. I mean, who considers one of those little bags of chips you frequently find next to the register to be two servings, for example?

There's a whole lot of psychology that goes into packaging, presentation, arrangement and placement of products in a grocery store. Ever notice for example how when there's a large selection of a particular type of product, that the lower cost items are usually on the bottom or top shelves, while the premium brands are at eye level? Or that the most essential items --typically milk, butter and eggs-- are nearly always the furthest possible distance fr0m the entrance?

Also, more 'basic', or staple non-fresh items (canned and jarred goods) tend to be placed in narrow aisles to discourage both time spent comparing prices and bending for the cheaper stuff on the bottom shelves because of the claustrophobic feeling, while the less essential items (chips, soda, etc.) are in wide aisles, encouraging you to relax and spend more time there.

Lots of other 'tricks' too, but you get the idea...
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby Lanthanide » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 16:23:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Byron100', 'N')othing makes me more angry than the feeling of being ripped off by paying more for less. At the very least, can't they be upfront and just raise prices and keep the same size?

Really it's in their best interests to shrink things, rather than raise the price.

By shrinking it they can save on shipping costs due to smaller weight/size, as well as reducing the most expensive component (the food) per item sold, so if the price of the food goes up in the future the price per item doesn't have to increase as much to compensate for it as it previously would have.
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Re: Confessions of a Grocery stocker .

Postby jlw61 » Fri 25 Jul 2008, 16:58:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Barbara', 'W')hy are they shrinking boxes but leaving the price as it is? This is illegal here. You must write the price per kilo by law. So people can do the math instantly. Shrinking boxes of 10 or 20% is illegal.
Whereas US grocery shops do show prices per unit, weigh, volume, etc, there is no law here, or in Europe for that matter, against the manufactureur decreasing the size of the package, or increasing the price. You can pack a can of 100g of tuna for 5 Euros, or the 80g can for the same price. Just don't put the 2 side-by-side, because you wouldn't look too smart.


Plus there is no law saying the units have to be consistent. I yank out the calculator when I see one size jar listed as cents/oz and the next larger listed as dollars per quart. My favorite is toilet paper list as cents/100 sheets and the next brand listed as dollars per roll.
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