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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby denverdave » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 15:53:13

Most of the images on google earth of my area seem to be at least four years old, they are in no way real-time. Anyways, in a "zombie horde" scenario, nobody is going to be using the internet to look for bugouts in the middle of nowhere. When TSHTF, people will be staying put, not driving hundreds of miles on the remote chance that they may fight with armed survivalists over some rice and beans.
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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby smallpoxgirl » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 16:08:09

I don't guess I see what that matters at all. Why would anyone need to hide their existence from satellites? The point of being out in the boonies is to be inaccessible, not to be invisible. You have really do something to stand out from the crowd if you're going to piss off the man enough that he sends an army to investigate every shack in the woods to see which one you're hiding in.
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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby Narz » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 16:34:28

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'S')o I'm wondering if, in a collapse scenario with the trademarked "zombie hordes", whether it is even possible to remain hidden if (at least for a period in time) GPS and the internet stay online.

Assuming a "zombie horde" scenario (which I don't) I doubt there will still be Internet.
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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby Ang » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 17:05:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('denverdave', 'W')hen TSHTF, people will be staying put, not driving hundreds of miles on the remote chance that they may fight with armed survivalists over some rice and beans.


From your keyboard to God's monitor...

If there is nothing left but some whacked out survivalist's rice & beans, I can imagine a few people would make the trip. I just hope they run out of gas on the way. IMO there isn't a right answer, just endless speculation about how it's all going to go down. I like the remote location with a well stocked pantry and some land idea over the staying in the city idea. If the zombie hoards can find us on Google Earth (or a road map) there isn't much we can do, but at least we tried. Beats not trying.
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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby FoolYap » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 17:24:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ang', 'I')f there is nothing left but some whacked out survivalist's rice & beans, I can imagine a few people would make the trip.


If there's nothing left but some whacked-out survivalist's rice & beans, how are those people going to

1. have power and communications to
2. find a still-working Internet (i.e., dozens of distributed servers) to
3. find a place far away via Google (which still works I guess) and then
4. find the gas to get there while
5. not being ambushed and eaten along the way? :P

I guess you're worried about the very early part of a collapse? Sounds to me like a real stretch of a thing to worry about. I would expect zombie hordes to march only as far as the next house / apartment / Walmart to raid, in the beginning.

And by halftime of that game, see #1-5 above.

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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby Ang » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 17:48:19

My idea of a zombie hoard is like a swarm of locust, going from one field to another, or town to town. In which case all they need is a road map, so that takes care of 1,2 & 3.

I do hope they run out of gas. And...

Depending on the numbers, I'm guessing some would make it through the ambush and the BBQ'S.

I'd rather exhaust my imagination and worry about trying to keep my kids safe than stay in the city next to the houses/apartments/WalMarts.
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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby ararboin » Thu 07 Feb 2008, 21:53:51

I've been living in my isolated middle of nowhere hideout for several years now. I googled the place one time and I couldn't even see the house because I couldn't zoom in close enough. Many isolated areas do not have close-up image resolution. Not to worry.
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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 08 Feb 2008, 09:49:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ararboin', 'I')'ve been living in my isolated middle of nowhere hideout for several years now. I googled the place one time and I couldn't even see the house because I couldn't zoom in close enough. Many isolated areas do not have close-up image resolution. Not to worry.


How do you get internet?
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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 08 Feb 2008, 10:00:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoolYap', '
')I guess you're worried about the very early part of a collapse?


Yes, imagine this scenario: The shit is hitting the fan, but it's still Mad Max 1 stage, where infrastructure is crumbling, but still there. There will be a lot of posturing for strategic position as people realize where things are headed. They will seek sanctuary, and there may no longer be enough time or resources for those who waited to the last minute to build their own bugout. Much simpler to target an existing one and take it over. Even if it's just %0.001 of the people with this mentality, you might be talking about enough people to significantly raise the risk factor vs. the lower risk of people just randomly stumbling on your bugout.
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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby FoolYap » Fri 08 Feb 2008, 10:56:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'Y')es, imagine this scenario: The shit is hitting the fan, but it's still Mad Max 1 stage, where infrastructure is crumbling, but still there. There will be a lot of posturing for strategic position as people realize where things are headed. They will seek sanctuary, and there may no longer be enough time or resources for those who waited to the last minute to build their own bugout. Much simpler to target an existing one and take it over. Even if it's just %0.001 of the people with this mentality, you might be talking about enough people to significantly raise the risk factor vs. the lower risk of people just randomly stumbling on your bugout.


I still think it's a rather far-out concern. I'm guessing the risk is higher that someone who has directly seen your super-stealth bug-out ranch will remember it, and come back to it. For example: Any contractors who've done work on it, any delivery people who've delivered to it, any friend-of-a-friend-of-etc who's heard about it from things you've said about being self-sufficient, etc.

Hmm. Are we talking about the same levels of preparation? Maybe not. When I hear someone talk about being fully prepared for the worst TSHTF scenario, I'm thinking mostly of having enough land to grow food on, some animals including perhaps some draft animals, a source of water (river, pond, or windmill-pumped well), a sufficient stand of timber to harvest firewood, etc. To me, survival is about staying alive and fed and warm, not about maintaining a high-tech life.

If that's the level you're also thinking of, there must be literally millions of places that would fit that description from Google Earth's perspective? It'd show trees, fields, maybe water, and a few out-buildings near the house. Granted, you'll stand out more if you're near a very large metropolitan area. But, I guess I'm just not seeing it as a large risk of being spotted by savvy Mad Max Internet types who decide to swarm in from hundreds of miles away.

Now, if what you're talking about is a huge demi-industrial complex, where you're planning to produce your own power for a modern life, and produce your own spare parts (or stockpile enough for a lifetime) to keep it all running, then, maybe, you've got something to worry about.

But once again, how did this place get constructed? Who's seen it going up, and thus knows about it, and probably lives close to it? Those are the people I'd worry about.

Unless you've buried them all in the foundation by now? 8O :-D

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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby FoolYap » Fri 08 Feb 2008, 13:37:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'R')egular folks aren't going to be using networks and satellites to find targets. That's the province of government.


Yup. If anything, I'd worry about Our Friends In Government deciding to "borrow" your extremely well-prepared bug-out compound for "the duration of this civic emergency". For, you know, emergency... crowd... something something.

Fortunately, my bug-out compound is too modest to look like other than a little house in the woods. 8)

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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby Chesire » Fri 08 Feb 2008, 13:59:14

I just make up maps before hand with all pertinent information.
Will trade them out to the zombies for fun and profit WTSHTF :-D
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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby mos6507 » Fri 08 Feb 2008, 14:57:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('FoolYap', '
')Yup. If anything, I'd worry about Our Friends In Government deciding to "borrow" your extremely well-prepared bug-out compound for "the duration of this civic emergency". For, you know, emergency... crowd... something something.


I'm not sure centralized government as we know it today would survive anything more than the early days of the collapse.
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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby FoolYap » Fri 08 Feb 2008, 19:17:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')'m not sure centralized government as we know it today would survive anything more than the early days of the collapse.


Really? I would expect the Federal government to hang on a very long time. Not in its current size or exact form, but enough of it to function (or attempt to). I would expect martial law to be declared, and for it to be able to commandeer peoples and places and resources on an as-needed basis, for a fair time.

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Re: Bugouts and Google Earth

Unread postby ararboin » Fri 08 Feb 2008, 20:13:30

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ararboin', 'I')'ve been living in my isolated middle of nowhere hideout for several years now. I googled the place one time and I couldn't even see the house because I couldn't zoom in close enough. Many isolated areas do not have close-up image resolution. Not to worry.


How do you get internet?


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Google Earth Oil consumption map.

Unread postby pictishbroch » Thu 24 Jul 2008, 14:50:53

This one shows oil consumption per state [Google Earth File. You must have GE installed.] in the US where the height is the number of barrels of oil consumed per square mile (100 meters for each barrel).

http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/download.php?Number=1206103

you need Google Earth of course.
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Google Street View

Unread postby TheDude » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 03:48:50

I've already found a friend of mine and another friend + her pre-school son in a half hour of wandering around on GSV. Smile for the telescreen, kiddies! :-x

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Re: Google Street View

Unread postby alpha480v » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 05:36:22

I'll have to check this out later when I have more time. Thanks for posting!
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Re: Google Street View

Unread postby Aaron » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 05:50:55

link

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Re: Google Street View

Unread postby Ferretlover » Tue 29 Jul 2008, 08:07:31

We've googled our home address. The garage door happened to be open when they went by. You can see everything in the garage, including our cars :-x (they DID blur out our license plates-wasn't that Nice of them?)
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