[Ludi]

I agree. What do we mean by "real"?

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '[')url=http://neurology.health-cares.net/hypnagogic-hallucination.php]hypnagogic hallucination[/url]

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') agree. What do we mean by "real"?

[Ludi]

It seems to be the brain trying to make sense of some input. But what is the input? Where does it come from?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Have you seen the film Waking Life?

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t seems to be the brain trying to make sense of some input. But what is the input? Where does it come from?

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')It couldn't have come from my head.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Have you seen the film Waking Life?

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')It couldn't have come from my head.

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '[')url=http://neurology.health-cares.net/hypnagogic-hallucination.php]hypnagogic hallucination[/url]

[Moped]

Death is nothing to us, since when we are, death has not come, and when death has come, we are not.

- Epicurus, "Letter to Menoeceus", 124-125

[manu]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')It couldn't have come from my head.

[Vogelzang]

A friend of mine showed me this book a couple years ago. It has a lot of stories about weird spirit beings showing up in people's bedrooms at night.

http://www.amazon.com/Terror-Publicatio ... 108&sr=1-1

[culicomorpha]

This is an interesting discussion.

I wasn't able to find an adequate choice from the list, because while I don't think life sucks, I actually do look forward to death.

It happened in 1997 that I had a surgery, and went under general anesthesia. It wasn't the first time I went under or the last, but this particular time I awoke with a start, realizing I was back here, in the human realm. And I was angry. I felt cheated, because I had been truly free, had escaped temporarily the bonds of this body. It was the most wonderful, liberating thing I have ever experienced, and it has never left me. I recognized what I had done, both good and bad, and what I had not yet done, and lamented not doing. But despite those feelings, it was still ok. Everything was just fine and just as it was supposed to be.

I'm sure many would write it off as the effects of drugs, and no doubt I was quite drugged. But I have done many drugs and nothing has ever come remotely in the same galaxy as this experience.

The only description I have come up with to explain my experience is along the lines of what threadbear suggested earlier: that who we are is not limited to our bodies, that the causal circuits that we are part of is bigger than us, and that when we can see beyond this particular body, this limited domain, there is an infinity of interrelationships and interdependencies, and we are each a part of that. That is an awesome power, and not one to be feared. In fact, for me it is what I consider god, or creator, or the great spirit. These are all words trying to express the inexpressible: that we are truly one.

So I do not fear death at all. To the contrary I am looking forward to it. At the same time, I have a belief that I'm here to do something. I'm not quite sure what that is, but I have done some things I felt were important in the time between then and now.

And like Ludi, when my time comes I want to experience that transition, to be fully present in the passing from one world to the next. The next time I will be paying more attention...

[charliebrownout]

It is inevitable, but I'd like to put it off as long as possible. Other than that, I'm surprisingly ambivalent.

My own death, that is--I couldn't care less about my own. The death of my children is another matter. Well, let's just say the good Lord better take me first. Losing them would be a fate worse than death.

Kind of like the old man in The Road my children are my impetus for being and carrying on anyway. They bring joy to my life I didn't have prior to their arrival and they supply the sole reason for continuing. Beyond them, I don't have much meaning.

Some folks don't like that kind of thinking, I respect that, but it honestly sums up who I am and what I think. Like it, or lump it

[POAlex]

What about having an eternal soul? What would happen to that at death?

Alex

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'W')hat about having an eternal soul?

[lper100km]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('POAlex', 'W')hat about having an eternal soul? What would happen to that at death?

Alex

[cualcrees]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hope_full', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nybody seen that video about a brain doctor who has a stroke and could have died?
everybody I mention it too has seen it.
she made dying, having a stroke seem very pleasant.

[aldente]

In the early 90's an FDA approved study has been conducted at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque whereby a brain transmitter substance was focused upon that is emanated in the pinneal gland during the 49th day after conception and then again in high amounts during the death process.

During the live of a human being small amounts of this substance are released every night and might well be the pivotal catalyst to induce dreams.



The abuse starts when self declared members of random religious institutions declare to have an understanding about these processes.