[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'I')s this the concessus view around here? Keep it hush hush for security reasons?

[JJ]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', 'A')llen, at this point, I would suggest you take those stickers OFF your car.
IMO, You are setting up yourself and your family as targets. You are giving strangers a face to go with the problem.
No-one is going to be polite and tell you, "Gee, I should have listened to you. Guess I made a mistake." It's going to be more like,"You SOB, you should have made me listen to you. It's all your fault. I'm gonna take your stuff and burn down your house-then, let's see how You survive this mess!"
Work on your family and very close long-term friends. The rest of the world is learning about PO through the MSM now. What nobody seems to notice yet is that there is NO support structure in place to mitigate the coming circumstances.
It's going to be bad, folks.

[cualcrees]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'C')onsidering that it is a classic sign of mental illness to believe that one has special information that others don't possess regarding the imminent end of the world, it's probably wise to tread lightly around the uninitiated.
I was thinking the other day about how I might describe to a therapist why I have been a bit sullen lately and the story sounded a little wild.
"You see doctor, I have recently become convinced that a dramatic die-off of the human population is going to occur within my lifetime. I also have reason to believe that the entire global financial system is poised to collapse any day. I also have reason to believe that everything the government tells me is a lie. I am also virtually certain that fossil fuel depletion is going to be in the vanguard of the calamities that will more or less signal the end of the world."
I can just see the therapist taking a deep breath and replying: "So, BigTex, how long have you been having these feelings?"

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grampybone', 'I') have tried in the past to tell people about peak oil, but to no avail. No longer do I waste my breath talking to these people. We will see when tshtf who is better prepared for it.

[Ferretlover]

It IS pretty bad. And, yes, the general consensus of those who are grounded in reality, has changed since the beginning of this year to this concept.
Not only are a high percentage of predictions made here @ PO.com coming true, they are coming true sooner and worse than predicted.
I don't remember where it is, but somewhere here there's a thread on responses to make to fit in with the general public so as to not make you and your family and your preps targets known to everyone and every agency.
Figure out what to do, and how to survive. I know a lot of people think this is nutty/funny/screwy, but: This Is Not A Game.

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') really hate the term "sheeple."
I think people should be educated, but, many people don't like to be challenged about the way they live, as it seems a criticism of their choices, which nobody likes. So it's difficult to find a way to present the information and possible actions they might take to help themselves in a way which isn't threatening to folks.
Modeling examples of alternative ways to live might be a better method than lecturing. These people have an inspiring ministry: link They make a low-energy way of life seem very appealing.

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Munqi', 'I')ve tried talking about this with my family and friends but so far no one has really been interested. They listen, they say they agree, but it just really doesnt sink in. For some reason they just dont understand that the world could possibly change.
So i would say try to educate people, but if they dont listen then move on.

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rage', 'I') contemplated heading down to the iPhone line-ups and spreading the word, but just couldn't bring myself to be seen near that line-up.....

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'W')hen I first tried to explain peak oil to my father he laughed in my face as if I was an imbecile. Now as he sees fuel prices going up and up and up and with me still going on incessantly about the whole thing he has shifted his outlook somewhat, in the car he sometimes mutters 'back to horses I guess'. I have explained to him the seriousness of the situation we will face in the future and yet no preparations are made. My family is of the opinion 'we'll deal with it when we get to that bridge' unfortunately they will probably get shoved off 'that bridge' when shtf. I have this horrible feeling they will all turn to me and say 'so what do we do now?' at that point.

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('CarlinsDarlin', 'I') tend to agree with Zeke. While I still talk to a few people, I'm not as "preachy" as I used to be. I figure the signs are everywhere for those who care to look. These days, I don't have to look for an opportunity to talk about peak oil. It comes up in everyday conversations. As I said, the evidence is everywhere.
That being said, I don't think I'd wave a banner and become the PO poster child. One, for the reasons zeke mentioned, and two, because everyone and their dog will be showing up at your house when they realize (too late) that they should have prepared and didn't. I don't have enough to help out everyone.
K

[mrobert]

In a post-PeakOil world, when there won't be any new movies or anything to watch on my solar powered sattelite TV, the only entertainment will be to watch the sheeple going down. Please consider our future. We will need entertainment after TSHTF and don't ruin the best we will get.

On the serious side, I made my parents and g/f aware. With succes. It takes patience and effort. It's why I decided to use the piece of land next to my parents house, which they own, to build my own house there. I will be with my family on a nice piece of land. The entire property is about 1 acre at the bottom of a hill. It has a great view, food can be grown, we have a nice orchard. I will also put a brand new fence around the entire place.

It's only 5 miles from the closest city, but in a direction that leads nowhere. It actually goes into the mountains and wast untapped forests. The entire area has a low population density, far from any highways, large cities, etc.

I convinced my parents to install a wood stove and after the first winter, they were pleased. Also, I will rebuild the entire pipeline which provides water for the house, from a nice spring we have a bit uphill. There is plenty of wood there, in very close proximity. My house will be equipped with the ability to use wood as the main fuel.

Nobody will really have a dumb clue that I am and will be well of there. The place is nice and quiet.

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'C')onsidering that it is a classic sign of mental illness to believe that one has special information that others don't possess regarding the imminent end of the world, it's probably wise to tread lightly around the uninitiated.
I was thinking the other day about how I might describe to a therapist why I have been a bit sullen lately and the story sounded a little wild.
"You see doctor, I have recently become convinced that a dramatic die-off of the human population is going to occur within my lifetime. I also have reason to believe that the entire global financial system is poised to collapse any day. I also have reason to believe that everything the government tells me is a lie. I am also virtually certain that fossil fuel depletion is going to be in the vanguard of the calamities that will more or less signal the end of the world."
I can just see the therapist taking a deep breath and replying: "So, BigTex, how long have you been having these feelings?"

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', 'I')n a post-PeakOil world, when there won't be any new movies or anything to watch on my solar powered sattelite TV, the only entertainment will be to watch the sheeple going down.
Please consider our future. We will need entertainment after TSHTF and don't ruin the best we will get.
On the serious side, I made my parents and g/f aware. With succes. It takes patience and effort. It's why I decided to use the piece of land next to my parents house, which they own, to build my own house there. I will be with my family on a nice piece of land. The entire property is about 1 acre at the bottom of a hill. It has a great view, food can be grown, we have a nice orchard. I will also put a brand new fence around the entire place.
It's only 5 miles from the closest city, but in a direction that leads nowhere. It actually goes into the mountains and wast untapped forests. The entire area has a low population density, far from any highways, large cities, etc.
I convinced my parents to install a wood stove and after the first winter, they were pleased. Also, I will rebuild the entire pipeline which provides water for the house, from a nice spring we have a bit uphill. There is plenty of wood there, in very close proximity. My house will be equipped with the ability to use wood as the main fuel. Nobody will really have a dumb clue that I am and will be well of there. The place is nice and quiet.

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('allenwrench', 'T')o educate sheeple or not educate sheeple...that is the question?

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eXpat', 'U')nlike previous years, sheeple is about to be educated by another teacher, is call "reality". Reality is a harsh teacher and it doesn´t tolerate very much mistakes from slow students.

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('doodlebug2', 'I') agree with Mrobert. I think this whole thing is for a person or group to blame. The sheeple want to blame enviromentalists that we are running out of oil. A person told me enviromentalism = communism. Like the enviromentalist started peak oil. No the sheeple will never learn anyway, they choose not to

[allenwrench]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '"')Sheeple is a term of disparagement, a portmanteau created by combining the words "sheep" and "people." It is often used to denote persons who acquiesce to authority, and thus undermine their own human individuality. The implication of sheeple is that as a collective, people believe whatever they are told, especially if told so by authority figures, without processing it to be sure that it is an accurate representation of the real world around them. The term is generally used in a political or religious sense."

[mrobert]

@allenwrench: I spent most of life, and built my entire life thinking that I can always make a difference. I always tried (and try) to be a good example for people around me.
If I have who to "enlighten" I do it with pleasure. If I find people willing to listen, then I talk, point them to read more info, and so on. I never express a doomeristic point of view.
Usually, when someone complains about energy and related prices, I start with something like:

"Do you know that our reserves are X, and will last Y years? Since there is no alternative in sight, we should consider adjusting our lifestyle to use a bit less, and get along better".
I usually provide simple arguments and simple examples for people to understand.

But when I hear people with arguments like:
"We should nuke the arabs, because they have reservers that would last thousands of years and they won't pump a bit more to reduce prices", or:
"Do you know that the american government has technology to run cars on water but they just won't release it, until the *right time*"
etc. .... I consider it a waste of time to discuss with them.

I am sorry, but I consider every person who believes that a growing amount of people can use a growing amount of a resource that is fixed in amount, to be a mental retard.
I used examples like:
- "Dude, do you see the bottle of Coke we have on the table?
- Yes
- How much can we drink from it?
- Until it's empty
- If the start drinking it faster, what happens?
- We run out faster
- Ok. Same goes, with oil, gas, etc.
- No, there are huge amounts of oil, it's those arabs, blah blah blah"

Isn't that a mental retard?
Somebody (The president of the US?) with a huge credibility, should make a simple statement: "Oil will last X years. There is no alternative after that. Start thinking on how to use less, to make X larger"

[PonyBoy78]

I've made my efforts with family. My partner 100% is on-board with preparations. And Dad has always been of the perspective that one shouldn't become too dependent on the way we currently live. Mom and sister didn't want to think much about it.

So, I prepare. When the time comes, my home in the country will have room for all of them. They can help with the chores.

[zeke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '"')Terms of disparagement are pejorative words and phrases which are either intended to be or are often regarded as insulting, impolite or unkind." There is a direct correlation between our arrogance and our ignorance. People learn to the same degree people are willing to teach. Yes, please educate as much as you can.