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No longer any resistance to the Peak Oil news?
Re: No longer any resistance to the Peak Oil news?
by watermelonpunch » Sun 06 Jul 2008, 05:13:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('socrates1fan', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'W')ell, that's true, Socrates, but first we must pass through partial dieoff and the Greater Depression. Kinda sobers you up. This will not be a smooth-sailing transition.
The only dieoff I see in the world due to PO is in 3rd and 2nd world countries.
Not only is the US the most powerful nation in the world, but we feed a lot of the planet.
Here at least there is food everywhere, even after the flood.
If dieoffs happen it would probably be from heatwaves and too expensive of electricity to cool your home. Medical-related deaths would probably shoot up but your not going to have deaths here in NA in the millions(except maybe Mexico.).
I do agree food is gonna get expensive and people are going to start turning to the ground. I honestly probably don't have the stress people outside this region have.
Here vegetables and fruits grow incredably fast and once you pick them there is another a week later! At least with tomatoes and beans.
Um, there's quite a few very poor people living in the USA, in conditions worse than some people have living in a 3rd world country. I saw more pleasing living conditions in Mexico out the bus window from Riviera Maya to Chichen Itza than I did out the window on the train from Philly to Cherry Hill NJ, which passes through Camden.
Add to that the people who don't own any land & can't plant a garden.
Many poor people die because of inadequate health care now. From what I've heard about, people who have surgery on government medical coverage get post-op care that's the pits. A couple of years ago a boy in NJ died of brain infection from a absess tooth because his single mother couldn't afford to take both her children to the dentist. And the dentist that took government dental was 50 miles away.
Things like this are not going to get better during a widespread economic crisis.
Or how about the people who live in parts of the USA that are not fertile. Only rich people who live in the desert have grass lawns. I'm no gardening expert, but I'm thinking there's not going to be a lot of conventional food production going on in the deserts of California, Arizona, etc. And hot houses & hydroponics require technology and a lot more funds.
I imagine "earthbox" might get more popular soon. But heck, I think it's rather pricey now. You have to buy the special fertilizer I think and whatnot. And it's made of plastic. It'll be more than $50 once plastic prices go up, not to mention shipping costs.
Yes, it will likely be years & years before the very wealthy suffer death of starvation or whatever, if at all. But just the fact that people are dying of poverty-related reasons NOW makes me think a full-scale crisis can only up the ante.
The family that has $25,000 to invest in geothermal, and several acres of land to farm & raise livestock might come out the other end after a die-off. But a single apartment dweller working in retail with limited healthcare coverage as it is, is going to be seriously at risk.
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Re: No longer any resistance to the Peak Oil news?
by mrobert » Sun 06 Jul 2008, 05:17:29
Denial is is the best weapon of defence for people who are not willing to accept things that will change their lives in a way they don't want to.
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Re: No longer any resistance to the Peak Oil news?
by mos6507 » Sun 06 Jul 2008, 05:25:10
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('watermelonpunch', '
')But even the people I know (friends & family) who are dyed in the wool right-wingish types, who believe the oil supply is either infinite, or that the depletion is many decades away... even they say that fuel prices at the gas pumps will never go back down to what they were. Even if their stated reason for that is, "prices always go up, they don't go back down"... They may not understand why
')But even the people I know (friends & family) who are dyed in the wool right-wingish types, who believe the oil supply is either infinite, or that the depletion is many decades away... even they say that fuel prices at the gas pumps will never go back down to what they were. Even if their stated reason for that is, "prices always go up, they don't go back down"... They may not understand why
It's easy to comprehend the demand part. The whole Chindia part. There has also been plenty of press that says it's the end of easy oil, even though they don't dare mention peak oil. Where the denial kicks in is to think that we can even sit on the production plateau for decades waiting for us to innovate our way out via alternatives.
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Re: No longer any resistance to the Peak Oil news?
by watermelonpunch » Sun 06 Jul 2008, 11:45:18
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', 'I')t's easy to comprehend the demand part. The whole Chindia part. There has also been plenty of press that says it's the end of easy oil, even though they don't dare mention peak oil. Where the denial kicks in is to think that we can even sit on the production plateau for decades waiting for us to innovate our way out via alternatives.
You mean like bugs that crap oil?
http://www.nbc4.com/automotive/16629566/detail.html
A lot of people see hope when they read about things like this.
I see dark comedy & get a shiver.
Probably because I have at least a clue about the kind of effort & money involved in messing with genetics of tiny organisms when compared with drilling into the ground & sticking a pump in the hole.
Most people don't think about things for long enough to think that far into it... and that's if they read to the end of an article like that to the last article that mentions only a tiny fraction of the drawbacks, as an afterthought.
You don't think about the ramifications unless you're personally effected by them, or you make the effort to read up. As it happens, my area has recently had an ethanol plant vy to come into one of the towns, and the natural gas companies are hard selling to get leases in the area - including on property of someone I know. I've done some reading on the topics, but then I'm lucky to have a little time on my hands to do so. My friends who aren't personally effected by these things, and have babies or young children especially, work a lot, or with new romances, or just busier lives for whatever reason, don't feel they have the time to think into these issues & read about them.
I'm not even saying I'm up on everything. It wasn't until my parents put their house on the market and aren't getting any interest at the same time I started trying to look for a new apartment, closer to work, and was completely frustrated & amazed at how difficult it is to find something appropriate compared to in the past, that I started understanding the full ramifications of the subprime mortgage crisis, and started doing more reading on the topic.
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