[drgoodword]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('socrates1fan', 'T')he only dieoff I see in the world due to PO is in 3rd and 2nd world countries.
Not only is the US the most powerful nation in the world, but we feed a lot of the planet.

[Milret2]

Large numbers of people now depend on existence and delivery of various types of drugs and medical services. In my own case I must have thyroid replacement drugs (thyroid cancer required thyroid removal) and blood pressure drugs. I also underwent cataract operation and retinal detachment surgery in my one remaining eye, both within the last four years. Such services were asolutely needed by me to remain well and active ... but such services REQUIRE massive amounts of oil to be available. Die off will happen and it will be massive. I am just glad I have no kids and have had the opportunity to be born in the USA fifty seven years ago. Living in interesting times will, I suspect, make dying in them in the next few years just desserts;-).

[sjn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', 'O')k people. Let's be a bit fair.
Since we are on this website, we believe or at least are aware of peakoil.

IF you would have the chance to speak to the world for 20 minutes, and have a guarantee that everyone would get and understand your message, would you tell them about peak oil?

I wouldn't.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'w')e're a social species and we don't well tolerate those who operate outside of the consensus trance.

[mrobert]

@sjn: What I was merely trying to say, is that it has to be told in a manner that would avoid a potential large-scale panic. Don't imagine that if you comfront 7 billion people with a HUGE issue, they will just sit down and start thinking about changes.

At least 75% will start to blame "others" for being here, and being forced to change the way we live.

Can you hear statements like:
"It's those damn [insert local politicos here] that didn't warn use before. They should have invested in alternatives, blah blah blah".

Let me give you a real life example.
A friend takes out a huge loan to start a business in an area where he has NO experience. I have about 6 years.
I tried telling him very nicely : Dude, thowing in a large amount of money won't speed things up or make them better. Start lower and nicely build your way up. Use financing when needed to expand the business and you have a 99% guarantee that it will be usefull. I went to the extent of giving him a full scale consulting, based on my past experience, down to every detail of the business. Something other would have charged for.

His answer: Don't teach me how to do business, and other arrogant statements.

The result? Absolutely NOT A SINGLE CUSTOMER OR SALE, and ended up with a huge debt. He will be spending the next few years, paying the debt for a huge mistake. It's in the range of a few tens of thousands of dollars.

People are funny
I suggest you rent or buy the DVD, with Stephen Hawking's : The Mist movie. Contrary to believes, it's NOT A HORROR movie. It's about what people to, when the issue is under their nose.

[sjn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'w')e're a social species and we don't well tolerate those who operate outside of the consensus trance.

[mrobert]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'w')e're a social species and we don't well tolerate those who operate outside of the consensus trance.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', ' ')I live my life differently, but it certainly isn't encoraged by the State here.

[sjn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', '
')Let me give you a real life example.
A friend takes out a huge loan to start a business in an area where he has NO experience. I have about 6 years.
I tried telling him very nicely : Dude, thowing in a large amount of money won't speed things up or make them better. Start lower and nicely build your way up. Use financing when needed to expand the business and you have a 99% guarantee that it will be usefull. I went to the extent of giving him a full scale consulting, based on my past experience, down to every detail of the business. Something other would have charged for.

His answer: Don't teach me how to do business, and other arrogant statements.

The result? Absolutely NOT A SINGLE CUSTOMER OR SALE, and ended up with a huge debt. He will be spending the next few years, paying the debt for a huge mistake. It's in the range of a few tens of thousands of dollars.

[sjn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', ' ')I live my life differently, but it certainly isn't encoraged by the State here.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'I') was being facetious, though frankly I think it would be a healthy development.

[MrBean]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', '
')IF you would have the chance to speak to the world for 20 minutes, and have a guarantee that everyone would get and understand your message, would you tell them about peak oil?

[sjn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MrBean', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mrobert', '
')IF you would have the chance to speak to the world for 20 minutes, and have a guarantee that everyone would get and understand your message, would you tell them about peak oil?

[VMarcHart]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'I')'ve noticed recently people are far more receptive to the idea of Peak Oil.

[sjn]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('sjn', 'I')'ve noticed recently people are far more receptive to the idea of Peak Oil.

[muon]

I haven't tried talking to anyone in real life, just trying to be supportive of lower energy type things that anyone comes up with. Online I've noticed a lot of opposition...

One person said it's the oil companies fleecing people, there's loads of oil, it gets made in the earth and the oil fields refill themselves. Others who were more informed about oil said that the refineries weren't working at full capacity (USA) due to not enough demand, and that Saudi has lots of wells capped (whatever the right terminology is) and they could uncap those if it was a supply/demand issue. That was actually good because they were open to discussion, so I asked them if they knew the year of peak oil discoveries and they were surprised at the answer. I was also able to point someone in the direction of numbers of how much more oil the USA uses than other countries, they didn't believe me but I think they did want to look it up to see if I was right or not.

I read an oil thread in a forum yesterday and someone said that the Bakken formation has loads of oil in it, but they're not drilling there yet. In response someone else said yes, there's loads of oil shale too! Someone else said that they read oil is made deep in the earth from helium and moves upwards to where we find it, so we'll never run out, they even provided a link to a website saying this.

[timbo]

But I still get some resistance on it meaning Global War. I don't want a war but if history is anything to go by it will happen. My only uncertainity is how many nukes get traded.

[socrates1fan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('VMarcHart', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('socrates1fan', 'T')o a large degree people are starting to accept that oil is finite.

[socrates1fan]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('timbo', 'B')ut I still get some resistance on it meaning Global War. I don't want a war but if history is anything to go by it will happen. My only uncertainity is how many nukes get traded.

[mrobert]

@sjn: He did partially blame me. He contracted me to design the website. He was building an online store.

You don't have to work in the industry, to know that if you want to sell something online on a website, you have to advertise and promote it, so that people visit it and eventually buy something.

He claimed that if the site would have been done "right", people would have simply stumbled upon it and the business would have went perfectly.

Also, he claimed that I overcharged him, when I negotiated the price in a friendly maner, like this:
Me: What is your best price offer for this, from other companies?
Him: X dollars
Me: Ok, will charge you around 60% of your cheapest offer. 40% discount for being friends.