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I have to angrily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

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I have to angrily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby Specop_007 » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 23:29:01

Its bullshit. Peak Oil is a massive steaming pile of shit, the type of shit that looks like Jiffy peanut butter stuck in the microwave until its good and runny, then thrown all over the place.

Dont misunderstand me. i dont mean Peak Oil isnt real or is a ficticious creation. I do believe its very much real, and its very much here.

What I refer to is the robbed lifestyle idea. I've always wanted an above average lifestyle. I have, since childhood, dreamed of the day I would own a fine sports Sedan. BMW M5. Aston Martin. Hell even a nice Lexus. And boy, did I work for it.

Funny thing is, I'm close. Sure I'm still in debt, still live in a "crackerbox starter house". People would lok at me today and say "New, he'll never make it". Oh, but I sure would have. I worked and saved hard. Not just for an expensive car mind you, but for the "American dream".

And I bought into it. I went to school, went to college, got the corporate job. I figure in another 10 years or so I'd be walking the walk, not just talking the talk.

But no. Oh hell no. THAT would be too easy. No sir, Murphy is a cocksucker of the highest degree so of course such things are not to be. I think for my age group thats going to hit the worst. Those older then me, they've had the chance to have that if only fleetingly. They can look back, when we're all living in squalor, and say "Yeah, I had a 5,000 square foot house, 2 cars and a Porsche for the weekend". Whatever. Fuck you. Not me. Know why? because MY age group is going to get hit with this Peak Oil bullshit just before we really hit our stride and start livin it up.

Those younger then my age group (30 by the way) never had time to start the trek to wealth and in fact may not even finish being prepped for it.

But I feel robbed goddamnit. No, life isnt fair. I know this. But seriously, this is some bullshit. It feels like if you spent a good portion of your life getting ready for a race, then you go to run the first race in the tournament and just before you get to the finish line, I mean within spitting distance of it they just call off the whole deal. Those who hadnt yet ran a race (Younger) can just say "Damn" and go home, and those older (2 or 3 races into the tournament) can say "Well, we gave it a good run" and go home. But my age group, we're left empty handed. Completely. We trained and started the race only to have them close it down.

Our lives will be, in a few short years, rendered completely useless and irrelevant. Went to college? So what. Had a good job? Wasted. 401K? Ha, nothing but a useless number.

So yes. I vent. I rant. This is bullshit. Sure, the future holds promise in other ways but that doesnt mean I'm all that excited about driving an econo shitbox crackerjack box around because gas is some arbitrarily high amount.

Sure, maybe it sounds selfish. In retrospect it does. Then again I'm a selfish guy. Back in high school I knew I wanted big houses and fast cars. And damnit I went out and tried to make it happen. And it WOULD have, if it hadnt been for some stupid fucking thing called Peak Oil that decided to rear its ugly head.

And so I say Peak Oil is bullshit.

Thanks for letting me rant. And oh did I. :-D

PS: I'm gankin some fool for his M5 before this shit is over. Bank on that. :o
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Re: I have to vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby roccman » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 23:33:02

Dude...you were F'd into existance because cheap oil was around.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE HERE.

You were not robbed bro.

You and 6 billion others have been living on borrowed time.

Get over it.
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby emersonbiggins » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 23:37:40

plus f*cking one, man. plus f*cking one.

It's all economic regression from here on out - things that were meant to be will never be, despite years of promises and preparation. It's sad, yes, but interesting nonetheless. I say make the most of it, regardless of how bad it gets. There's always guns and ammo, for the REAL bad times.
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Re: I have to vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby Specop_007 » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 23:37:51

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'D')ude...you were F'd into existance because cheap oil was around.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE HERE.

You were not robbed bro.

You and 6 billion others have been living on borrowed time.

Get over it.


Haha, thats one way of looking at it.

Thanks for being such a realistic dick about the situation. :razz:
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Re: I have to vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby roccman » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 23:40:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'D')ude...you were F'd into existance because cheap oil was around.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE HERE.

You were not robbed bro.

You and 6 billion others have been living on borrowed time.

Get over it.


Haha, thats one way of looking at it.

Thanks for being such a realistic dick about the situation. :razz:


Your dad was the dick...dude.
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Re: I have to vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby Specop_007 » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 23:42:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'D')ude...you were F'd into existance because cheap oil was around.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE HERE.

You were not robbed bro.

You and 6 billion others have been living on borrowed time.

Get over it.


Haha, thats one way of looking at it.

Thanks for being such a realistic dick about the situation. :razz:


Your dad was the dick...dude.


Your telling me how dont feel the slightest anger, sadness or remorse over the coming events?
I assume you either take thins in stride quite well or you never aspired to be much?
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Re: I have to vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby roccman » Fri 27 Jun 2008, 23:49:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('roccman', 'D')ude...you were F'd into existance because cheap oil was around.

YOU SHOULD NOT BE HERE.

You were not robbed bro.

You and 6 billion others have been living on borrowed time.

Get over it.


Haha, thats one way of looking at it.

Thanks for being such a realistic dick about the situation. :razz:


Your dad was the dick...dude.


Your telling me how dont feel the slightest anger, sadness or remorse over the coming events?
I assume you either take thins in stride quite well or you never aspired to be much?


Look bro.

My biggest regret is... I was not smart enough to heed the words of my college professor 15 years ago.

Instead I had two kids.

This is not about not loving them ...it is about loving them and not being able to do anything about their future.

When I was 30 I was alot like you are today...all tied up in myself.

Do yourself a favor and don't have kids.

ITO aspiring for "stuff"... all I have ever wanted... was to grow things...and I grow things today.

So I don't know what scale you measure with, but a porsche is not even (nor ever was) on my radar.
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Re: I have to vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby MonteQuest » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 00:06:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', ' ')Your telling me how dont feel the slightest anger, sadness or remorse over the coming events?


As Catton remarked:

"Using the ecological paradigm to think about human history, we can see instead that the end of exuberance was the summary result of all our separate and innocent decisions to have a baby, to trade a horse for a tractor, to avoid illness by getting vaccinated, to move from a farm to a city, to live in a heated home, to buy a family automobile and not depend on public transit, to specialize, exchange, and thereby prosper."
A Saudi saying, "My father rode a camel. I drive a car. My son flies a jet-plane. His son will ride a camel."
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby Jack » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 00:09:54

Specop, I'm sorry to hear that you won't get a chance to have the brass ring you worked for and deserve.

On the positive side, you will live fully - and so will I. Quite probably for a shorter time than would otherwise have been the case. But a great many people go through life half asleep. That is not our destiny.

Milton said it best.

"The mind is its own place, of itself, and can make of Heaven a Hell, of Hell a Heaven."
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby Denny » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 00:24:32

If you are young and bright and healthy you can assess the realtiy around you and adapt.

Let's just say you are smarter than most and realize the corporate world around you is crumbling and won't sustain itself. At least you are getting the picture ahead of some of your cohorts and can react.

Maybe its time to learn some other life skills - canning food, welding, farm equipment mechanics. Things that will be needed in the years to come. That all has purpose, and maybe more purpose than the corporate b.s. you now endure.

Maybe in a few years, being able to drive an old pickup truck that is doing essential stuff will give you more status than a Beemer does today, if everybody else is carrying their worldly possessions on their back.

Life is good not necessarily because of what we possess, but what we can do.
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby threadbear » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 01:16:49

SpecOP--So sorry to hear about your reversal of fortune, expectations. It's kind of like a Jane Austin novel . :) It's too bad we aren't all actors so we could take the feelings of frustration and anger and say, "I'll use this in my work."

In another way we are kind of like actors thrust onto a stage and many of these apparently horrible experiences are there to refine us as human beings, which is our life's work (but don't quit your day job :lol: )

In the grand scheme of things physical comfort is important but any more than that is pretty irrelevant. But it's difficult, and when I think of all of the people your age still living the dream, in denial, I wonder how the collective frustration and despair will manifest.
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby AirlinePilot » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 01:29:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')when I think of all of the people your age still living the dream, in denial, I wonder how the collective frustration and despair will manifest.


I can pretty much predict they are going to have an epiphany at some point and for many it's going to be orders of magnitude greater than some enlightened peak oiler's internet rant.

This cannot have a good result.

Spec,

As Jack said, Life isn't about things, although I've had my share. I'm a bit older than you but not by too much. I see the future as an opportunity and not a curse.

I guess I fit into that bunch your reffering to that gets to say, yeah, been there, done that.

Tell you what though, I'm just as pissed as you are about it, but by now I've accepted it as what it is. Your going to need your wits about you and being blinded by anger wont be real productive.
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby Zeeea » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 02:36:02

I think you have every right to be pissed off! I am as well. Nothing we can do about it now though, but its good to get it off your chest and know others think the same as you. Although a nice car was not a priority to me, clean air, a respectful civilization and all the animals that became extinct was what I wanted and will never have, neither will my children or their children if they ever have any ...
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby Ivan_M » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 02:47:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', ' ')But it's difficult, and when I think of all of the people your age still living the dream, in denial, I wonder how the collective frustration and despair will manifest.


how people always react when all they have worked for all their lives evaporates. with violence.
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby Ayoob » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 02:55:06

Walk it off.
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby yull » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 05:22:06

I hear you. I am even younger, 22 years. I had been preparing for what you have, living the good life, looking forward to all the progress, living on the Moon, trips to Mars etc. However it's clear now since that it is never going to happen - the good easy life my parents had is never going to happen to me. I feel my schooling has been an waste.

House prices being the state they are in this country it is impossible for anybody my age to get a house unless they happen to be born into a millionaire family. Being so young I feel especially powerless to the future that lays ahead and it seems horrendous.

Yes, the boomers are utlimately to blame. It was in their hands to give my generation a good future, it should have been their duty, but they have left us with hell. And we're going to have to support them when they get old. Now, I try not to be angry because it's not going to solve anything, we all need to work together.

No point moaning though, just have to get on with it and try to deal with it as best as possible. At least I have no debt and the family owns the house, and we have a large garden so it could we worse. But it is good to rant.
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby AlCzervik » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 07:58:54

Dude, you have gotten to live during the most abundant, most frivolous time in human history. Maybe right after WWII when you could roll down to Generous Motors at 18 years old and get a job for 30 years, then check out with a sick pension would have been a little better. Point is, even now, you're at he top of the friggin fossil fiesta. You've got all your guns. You've got your farm. You can still roll down to the supermarket and buy all that food you once posted pictures of. Like the conservative talking points always say, even our poor are fat!

Get down to the store tonight and grill the best damn piece of meat you can. Like you, I know it's gonna come crashing down and it sucks that it was all a fraud that would end. But, I sure as hell am gonna enjoy the little things I love while I can like a certain meal or attending a sporting event, etc. People are going to look back on us like we lived in a hedonistic freakshow, you may as well enjoy it a little.
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby Homesteader » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 08:18:15

The human and environmental cost of this american dream you are pissing and moaning about has been monumental. We are 4% of the population and use 25% of the resources. The people of the third world countries where these resources got stolen from to support you never had a chance.

At worst your glass is 95% full.

Count yourself "lucky", make the most of your opportunity and move on.
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby Rubin_Flagg » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 08:27:34

Spec_cop 007.
The name says it all. Delusional with not so subtle references to special forces "spec," police/control "cop" and the sexy rich spy "007." Grow up!

Just because you wanted something and now are not going to get it means nothing. Your attitude about consumerism and basing you life arong the "things" that can buy really make you shallow. Son...your not going to survive the next 50 years without a major attitude adjustment. If you think that reality is going to be kind to wanna be warrior yuppies your mistaken. There are billions of you out there and your value to humanity and the planet are falling fast.

Instead of valuing the BMW...(I agree they are fun, but when I see a person driving one I think small penis) value the things in your mind. Value good relationships and wonderful food. Value your health and the fact that you have done something for the world and not just your 401K. All bets are off brother...remake yourself and become a real human being. You clearly have passion. Have passion for the right things. Prove that ours (Generation X is the clean up crew of history and we can do a kick ass job!)

I wish you all the best...but should you attempt to take anything from me...you will be met with cold steel.
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Re: I have to angerily vent about this Peak Oil stuff.

Postby Gobsmack » Sat 28 Jun 2008, 09:02:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', 'T')hen again I'm a selfish guy. Back in high school I knew I wanted big houses and fast cars. And damnit I went out and tried to make it happen. And it WOULD have, if it hadnt been for some stupid farking thing called Peak Oil that decided to rear its ugly head.


The thing about the age of cheap oil and rampant growth in the utilization of land and resources, growth in population, development, etc. -- was that it allowed middling to above average types to really prosper just by using a paint-by-numbers approach to living life.

You could get a job at the GM production facility and stay there for years - accumulating wealth in your home and living the American Dream.

But, really, being able to use a paint-by-numbers approach to great success is rare when you are a life form on Planet Earth. Most of the time, the rare success goes to that small fraction of exceptional, innovative and non-standard sorts who are able to take advantage of something that others cannot.

I guess that means that life on Earth is mostly a bitch but sometimes its pretty good - and for the present, we are still living in the "sometimes".
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