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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby cowuvula » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 03:39:28

If you had to have Kucinich or GW as a babysitter for your 3 year old while you were gone for 3 days, who would you choose?
also, just pick one at random:
Article XVII
Illegal Detention: Detaining Indefinitely And Without Charge Persons Both U.S. Citizens and Foreign Captives.

is this true or isn't it?
do that for each one.

Most all seem to be true, interesting. It is in the news actually, and illegal detention IS being done and it SHOULD NOT be done.
what you got to say for that?

f it is TRUE why would one call kucinich a lunatic?
Your credibility with me has vaporized.
If they are detaining people without cause it would be lunatic not to question why.
Be ready...
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby pup55 » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 05:42:37

Kucinich is trying to do the right thing for history. He knows that this mess will get sent to committee and they will sit on it until January. He wants it read into the congressional record as a gravestone for this period in history.

The enabler is Pelosi. She has no stomach for three months of televised impeachment proceedings, which the right wingers will paint as revenge for Clinton.

So, her calculation is the typical "battered woman" approach, she will let the abuse go on for a few more months, on the concept that it will get better in January.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby FoolYap » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 07:26:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', 'I') hope they keep the prisoners locked up in Gtimo til hades freezes over. They belong there.


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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby BigTex » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 08:27:08

The thing I don't like about Kucinich is that every year during the State of the Union speech he pushes his way to the front when Bush is leaving the chamber to shake his hand and get his picture taken with him like some political groupie.

If he's really that anti-Bush, I would think he would make a point of not even acknowledging him, much less chasing after him like the president of the local Young Republicans Club.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 11:27:03

Pelosi and the democrats in the House voted to block Kucinich's impeachment bill.

The Republicans voted to have the House immediately consider the impeachment bill.

Pelosi and the dems won the vote so there will be no impeachment. :)
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 11:34:24

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', 's')ymbolically I would like to see Bush, Cheney, and the rest of the Neo-con cabal taken to task for their lies and for the consequences of their lies.



It isn't going to happen.

Nancy Pelosi and her fellow dems control Congress, and they voted to block impeachment again, just as they have ever since they took over the Congress in the 2006 elections.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby dunewalker » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 12:01:16

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'T')he thing I don't like about Kucinich is that every year during the State of the Union speech he pushes his way to the front when Bush is leaving the chamber to shake his hand and get his picture taken with him like some political groupie.

If he's really that anti-Bush, I would think he would make a point of not even acknowledging him, much less chasing after him like the president of the local Young Republicans Club.


Even BigTex can't refrain from attacking the messenger-ad hominem? Who gives a shit who filed the articles of impeachment? The point is, and ought to be, the veracity of the claims. BigTex apparently thinks the claims are groundless, but has no argument against them, other than he doesn't like the guy who filed them...
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby Denny » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 12:07:39

I am not sure how Bush would fare in impeachment hearings, as he seems so very confused when he speaks. Perhaps he is just not well, mentally. I do not think he remembers specific details clearly enough to be very useful, or defend his actions at an impeachment trial.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby dunewalker » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 12:32:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', 'Y')es, I listen to El Rushbo, Glen Beck, Neil Boortz, Sean Hannity, Michael Savage, Michael Reagan and Ann Coulter. And a few others whose names I do not recall. Radio would be freeking boring without them. I am just glad the liberal talk radio shows, such as air america failed. Whata bunch of claptrap that was.

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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 12:33:18

There is really no point in fantasizing about impeachments of Bush and Cheney any more. The Congressional dems have voted again to block impeachment. They aren't going to do it. There will be no impeachment.

I suggest all anti-war folks (and Bush-haters too) should start fantasizing about President Obama holding war crimes trials for Bush, Cheney and the evil cabal of neocons who voted to authorize the war in Iraq (i.e. Kerry, Clinton, etc.). There is still a chance that could happen, if enough pressure is brought to bear on Obama.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby mercurygirl » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 12:43:58

For many reasons, impeachment probably won't happen. But I kinda like this guy's idea: $this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Bugliosi wants one or more of the fifty state attorneys general or one of the nation’s hundreds of district attorneys to step up and prosecute Bush for murder.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby Plantagenet » Thu 12 Jun 2008, 15:11:07

First there were the Bill Clinton haters.

Now there are the Bush haters.

The Obama haters are already getting warmed up for their turn.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby Graeme » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 01:39:02

Human history becomes more and more a race between education and catastrophe. H. G. Wells.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby highlander » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 01:47:10

Bush/Cheney are not alone in this. Almost every member of Congress is guilty of aiding and abetting. It is too easy to blame the president.
We have a chance to "impeach" them all this fall, but we won't.
I haven't finished reading the details of every charge. Makes slick willy look like a boy scout. he was disbarred for his perjury.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby smallpoxgirl » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 01:56:34

Even if they decided to go ahead with it they wouldn't have the thing done before November, so what's the point? Bush would end up looking like a victim of political oportunism. Probably be the best thing that could happen to him.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby dinopello » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 07:25:00

It's more an historical thing I think. Nothing will come of it unless we attack Iran or something.

It interesting to compare the articles proposed by Kucinich and those on Clinton: Clinton Articles

Here's the first article
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he president provided perjurious, false and misleading testimony to the grand jury regarding the Paula Jones case and his relationship with Monica Lewinsky.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby Roy » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 09:41:16

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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 11:49:18

If people really wanted to see Bush and Cheney impeached they'd be after Pelosi and the Congress to impeach Bush and Cheney. But no one is doing that.

Pelosi and the dems just voted against impeachment (again) but the reality is that no one really cares.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby Ferretlover » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 16:34:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', 'I') hope they keep the prisoners locked up in Gtimo til hades freezes over. They belong there.

Oh? Blanket statements are a problem.
Please list the names of each of the prisoners and for what they are being held.
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Re: Articles of Impeachemnt against George Bush and Dick Che

Postby Plantagenet » Fri 13 Jun 2008, 16:43:12

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ferretlover', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('cbxer55', 'I') hope they keep the prisoners locked up in Gtimo til hades freezes over. They belong there.

Oh? Blanket statements are a problem.
Please list ... for what they are being held.


Its astonishing that people just don't know this stuff.

All of the detainees were captured and are now held as POWs in Al Qaida's war against the U.S. Their actual legal status is "unlawful combatant." A few of them have also been charged as war criminals for their role in organizing and carrying out the mass murder of American civilians in the 9/11 attack.
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