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THE Hummer / SUV Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Americans switch back to SUVs from hybrids

Postby Lokutus » Sat 11 Nov 2006, 14:37:08

Nov. 10, 2006 - As gas prices have plunged since topping $3 a gallon this summer, a startling shift is taking place in the car market. Hybrid sales are slowing and SUV sales are speeding up.
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Time to buy that Hummer! Seriously, what are gases prices doing in your region now that the election's over?
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Re: Americans switch back to SUVs from hybrids

Postby mekrob » Sat 11 Nov 2006, 14:45:13

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Seriously, what are gases prices doing in your region now that the election's over?


Up.

http://www.northcarolinagasprices.com/retail_price_chart.aspx

And for the US, as well. However, this actually started a couple of days before the election.
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Re: Americans switch back to SUVs from hybrids

Postby Lokutus » Sat 11 Nov 2006, 14:54:10

Gases prices?

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Re: Americans switch back to SUVs from hybrids

Postby AgentR » Sat 11 Nov 2006, 15:56:50

Up by 6 cents from the bottom.

And, to the topic, this is exactly how one should expect the market to respond. People are willing to accept a certain current cost per mile in gasoline, and they make that decision when they go into the car dealership to buy their next vehicle. Its why I think at $4 and $5 there will be some very radical shifts in buying patterns; not of people getting rid of cars ahead of time, but just in the average 3-5 yr replacement cycle.

Even myself, if I were to behave as do my peers, I have a 5 yr old minivan; I'm expected to trade it in and get a new one, or get something different, but definately get a new vehicle. Emotionally, at the moment, I feel much less urgency to get a more efficient vehicle; but when gas was over $3, I really did stop in to a Toyota dealership to see if they had any of those Yaris things in stock; just to look at, mind you. I think I'll wait though and stay on plan, drive the minivan for ten years, then get a new car. Maybe BMW will have managed to get one of their cooler looking Euro models into America by then.
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Re: Americans switch back to SUVs from hybrids

Postby emersonbiggins » Sun 12 Nov 2006, 00:20:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', ' ')Maybe BMW will have managed to get one of their cooler looking Euro models into America by then.


I wouldn't look for any BMW 1 or 2 series coming to the states anytime soon. The Germans don't mind getting hit with the manufacturer 'gas guzzler' tax, and gladly keep paying it just to maintain the upscale status of their American branding program. Cachet is everything.

Anyways, you can always grab a Mini. :)
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Re: Hum Hum

Postby Tanada » Tue 01 May 2007, 07:16:01

EVWORLD$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Hummer Shows Signs of Losing Its Swagger

Source: New York Times
[May 20, 2004]


SYNOPSIS: General Motor's Hummer H2 gets half the fuel economy of a 1915 Ford Model T. a d v e r t i s e r
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DETROIT, May 16 — Like other Hummer dealers, Jim Lynch is spending millions of dollars to erect a giant glass and steel Quonset hut in Chesterfield, Mo., to replace his dealership near St. Louis. General Motors is insisting that its Hummer dealers plant these fortresses in chic suburbs across America, each announced by a 35-foot-tall "H" out front.

But most dealers are undertaking the ambitious construction project just as Hummer, the loudest and proudest of the giant American sport utility vehicles, has shown signs of losing its swagger.

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Made me think of the hummer dealership in the Oilcrash movie.
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Re: Hum Hum

Postby MonteQuest » Tue 01 May 2007, 11:24:22

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fruitcake', 'E')vworld has an article about the Hummer 2 and concludes it is about half as energy effective as an Ford Model T.
Let's hope that all the technology the optimists are talking about is at least as old as a model T.

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http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section ... ewsid=5742


What else would you expect?

The Hummer is more efficient in energy conversion, but weighs much more and has a much larger engine, P/S, A/C, etc...thus it gets less mpg.
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Re: Hum Hum

Postby Tanada » Tue 01 May 2007, 13:01:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Fruitcake', 'E')vworld has an article about the Hummer 2 and concludes it is about half as energy effective as an Ford Model T.
Let's hope that all the technology the optimists are talking about is at least as old as a model T.

from old europe
http://www.evworld.com/view.cfm?section ... ewsid=5742


What else would you expect?

The Hummer is more efficient in energy conversion, but weighs much more and has a much larger engine, P/S, A/C, etc...thus it gets less mpg.


So if you were to take the engine out of a Hummer 2 and put it in a very simple transport along the lines of the Model T you would actually get better gas milage? I think that does make sense after a fashion, but the Hummer dealer in the Oilcrash movie stated that they average 10 MPG city and highway, so I suppose if you put the engine in a lightweight low drag body you could probably get it up to 30 MPG, but I still think that would be a massive waste of energy. Engines that size are best used for serious towing or hauling, not commuting.
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Re: Hum Hum

Postby gnm » Tue 01 May 2007, 13:30:43

I wonder if the deluded drivers of those tanks still think they are tough boys now... When I see one pull up at the station now, you can hear the barely stifled snickers and see the smirks of those around them. Along with the comments like " Oooo thats gonna hurt!" etc...

They've gone from wanna be neo-military to target of laughter.

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Re: Hum Hum

Postby MonteQuest » Tue 01 May 2007, 14:02:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tanada', ' ')So if you were to take the engine out of a Hummer 2 and put it in a very simple transport along the lines of the Model T you would actually get better gas milage?


Most likely. Depends on the overall mass/energy ratio. But a modern 20 hp engine in a 1,000 lb chassis like the Model T would get far more mpg.

The Loremo gets 150 mpg.

http://www.loremo.com/index_en.php
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Re: Hum Hum

Postby Newsseeker » Tue 01 May 2007, 20:36:41

I am not shocked to find an inefficient gas guzzler getting bad mileages. Maybe its time to bring back the Model T.
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Re: Hum Hum

Postby MonteQuest » Tue 01 May 2007, 21:17:32

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newsseeker', 'I') am not shocked to find an inefficient gas guzzler getting bad mileages. Maybe its time to bring back the Model T.


Huh? The Hummer is much more "efficient" than the Model T, when it comes to converting energy into work.

Due to the much larger mass and amenities, it gets poorer gas mileage.
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Re: Demand for large SUV's has collapsed; owners can't sell

Postby emersonbiggins » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 10:15:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Drifter', 'N')ow, auto makers will have to tell consumers they need a number of vehicles designed for specialized tasks – the SUV for the family vacation, the Mini or the Honda Fit for the slog to work, the luxury sedan for the night out with business associates.

Hilarious. Auto makers think the solution is to build MORE cars, one for every task that a driver might conceive of, in fact, so each American can wind up owning a fleet of cars, rather than just one or two. The solution will always be LESS cars, not more.
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Re: Demand for large SUV's has collapsed; owners can't sell

Postby GeoJAP » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 10:33:39

I'm glad I sold my Toyota Tundra (truck) and bought a Toyota Matrix (small compact) last year when I saw where things were headed.
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Re: Demand for large SUV's has collapsed; owners can't sell

Postby eXpat » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 10:40:07

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
This is just starting, everywhere. I was watching last night a special program of Spanish Television and the cost of truckers to fill up their tanks is just crazy.

I would like to see the faces of this three stooges by the end of the year

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Re: Demand for large SUV's has collapsed; owners can't sell

Postby idiom » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 10:43:55

Top Gear gets to flame around tracks melting the crap out of electrics.

All the gear heads are going to become sparkies.
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Re: Demand for large SUV's has collapsed; owners can't sell

Postby vision-master » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 10:45:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A') three-year-old Chevy Tahoe that might have fetched $19,700 in September 2007, he says. Today, a three-year-old Tahoe might be worth $16,400 at trade-in.


ha, ha try about $8,000. $16,400, no fricken way Ray.
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Re: Demand for large SUV's has collapsed; owners can't sell

Postby joelcolorado » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 11:08:16

I dont feel sorry for anyone who bought them. THey sure flaunted them around when I was driving my small car and made fun of me for not having one. I can HAVE whatever I want to buy. I chose to NOT spend that much on a vehicle.
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Re: Demand for large SUV's has collapsed; owners can't sell

Postby NeoPeasant » Tue 10 Jun 2008, 11:13:52

Lots of bug-out vehicle bargains await at the used car lots.
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