[BigTex]

Wait a second, isn't it a classic symptom of mental illness to believe that the government may be spying on you as part of a much larger conspiracy that is targeting people JUST LIKE YOU because of the unusual or especially insightful nature of your beliefs?

I know, I know, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they not after you. But if the only evidence you have that they are after you is a device that many people have implanted in their nose, but about which no one knows (is that alliteration?) anything, and that are being monitored by satellites, at what point does it become appropriate to say "proof please"?

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'H')ow funny would it be for some kid get getting his/her nose pierced to inadvertently discover one.

I SO hope such a person would be a redneck from some country ghetto trailer park. The news coverage would be amazing.

"Well, mama said don't get your nose pierced, and I see now why. I never knew I had nothing like that in my nose. I thought it was just boogers and snot and those big scabs you get when you snort crank--"

That's the point at which the news footage would end.

[eric_b]

I've updated this and small page for it. If interested, here:
http://www.fractalfreak.com/wx/satfucked/index.html

The reason I know there are implants involved is I retained some memories of having these things jammed up my nose.

The only motive behind all this is to f*ck people up.

[eric_b]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', '
')Okay, so the argument is that this idea is so ridiculous that no one would ever believe it, therefore, it must be true?

But isn't that the classic crazy person argument for everything?

Why is the fact that you are making the argument not evidence that you are crazy?

Maybe you should re-post the proof of the Maxillary implants.

What happens when a person with one dies? What keeps the funeral home people from discovering it when preparing the body?

What about when people are in terrible accidents where their faces are all messed up? Wouldn't the device be visible during reconstructive surgery?

What about MRIs and CT scans? Are you saying that this thing won't show up in a scan like this, even though such a scan shows EVERYTHING that is there?

If a person were prepared to accept your argument, what would they tell the next guy with a crazy theory, if the argument is that the crazy element is what makes it true?

It reminds me of a buddy who told me one time that he had been "camping in the city."

I said "oh, you mean like a bum?"

He said "well, the bums do it too."

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eric_b', 'A')nother part of the reason this is doen is the entire concept is so ridiculous, so tin-foil, that no one will ever believe it. Exactly why it's done. People will not consider the idea - self censorship.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'W')ait a second, isn't it a classic symptom of mental illness to believe that the government may be spying on you as part of a much larger conspiracy that is targeting people JUST LIKE YOU because of the unusual or especially insightful nature of your beliefs?
I know, I know, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they not after you. But if the only evidence you have that they are after you is a device that many people have implanted in their nose, but about which no one knows (is that alliteration?) anything, and that are being monitored by satellites, at what point does it become appropriate to say "proof please"?

[BigTex]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'W')ait a second, isn't it a classic symptom of mental illness to believe that the government may be spying on you as part of a much larger conspiracy that is targeting people JUST LIKE YOU because of the unusual or especially insightful nature of your beliefs?
I know, I know, just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they not after you. But if the only evidence you have that they are after you is a device that many people have implanted in their nose, but about which no one knows (is that alliteration?) anything, and that are being monitored by satellites, at what point does it become appropriate to say "proof please"?

[ugh]

My super collander metal hat shorted out from reading this crap.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'B')ut let's assume we have one of two paths to explain something that sounds crazy.
Path one is something crazy is happening that no one would ever believe, but that's how whoever is doing it is getting away with it--i.e., it's too crazy to be believed.
Path two is someone believes something crazy is happening that no one would ever believe and there is a good reason that no one believes it--i.e., it's crazy and the only reason the one person believes it is because he/she is crazy.
It seems to me that we ought not put something in the Path one category just because someone claims that they believe it's true. Surely it's reasonable to ask for some proof, or something beyond just a proclamation. Also, if these things would show up on an MRI, someone would have seen them by now. The people who read those are looking for ANYTHING that doesn't look right. An electronic device right in the middle of the face is going to be noticed.

[Ludi]

In general I try to evaluate what people say, and take a look to see if they have what looks like proof or a reasonable argument. To me, the arguments in this thread don't seem reasonable -"it's so crazy no one would believe it and that's why it's true!"
What part of the argument do you find reasonable, threadbear? I'm not very good at evaluating things (ask anyone on this board!)

[BigTex]

threadbear, if anything I try to always keep my eye out for out of the way ideas and I'm usually willing to listen to any story until it just gets too fantastic.

Good thoughts, though, on what I might call the "momentum of conformity" or something like that. It's a lot of work to continually be questioning your assumptions about everything.

Being ready to believe something if provided with good evidence is different, however, from being ready to believe anything just because someone tells you they think it's true.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', ' ')It's a lot of work to continually be questioning your assumptions about everything.

[Gandalf_the_White]

You people don't really know anything about the Stasi do you? You know, the East German Police who once employed up to 10% of the East German population just to spy on others?

Listen, psyops is not a game. It is a purposeful military attack, often upon a civilian population. The whole purpose is to play with your head until you are not certain what is true anymore. The CIA knows how to mess with your mind.

Some of you in this thread are new to Peak Oil, but we have seen it all come through here. From malicious teens who have nothing better to do then place strobe videos on epilepsy sites, to people who demonstrated every motive to evidence they were purposely hanging around and planting dis- and misinformation about peak oil.

Do any of you realize that in Britain, you are on camera all the time? Any public place you go to, you are under surveillence. What do they need to do that for? It really does not matter. What matters is whether citizens in a democracy should submit themselves to such things. It is a matter of right and no government has the right to surveillence law abiding citizens. First of all it is a waste of tax payer dollars.

I think Eric is either delusional and off his meds or he is being very facetious (waggish.)

I am not joking about the things I have experienced. I do believe that some of the people who post here (probably many we do not suspect) are either citizens keeping watch on the peak oil loonies or actual government agents being paid to do so. If they watchd the greens in the 60's over agent orange protests, you better believe they take peak oil seriously, even if they think the issue is bunk (which they don't BTW.)

As for the American Stasi, well I gave you guys links above, apparently none of you looked into them. You should not doubt that the government does psyops on it's own citizens. It might be as apparently vindictive as stealing Daniel Ellsburg's mental history records to get information to discredit him, or it could go into the level of trying to use the media to keep a lid on peak oil. Controlling the masses has been the aim of alot of things (mass consumerism itself is a type of happiness machine designed to placate the masses so that an enlightened few can make the 'right' decisions.)

This stuff all sounds ridiculous until you start reading some of the books that are out there about the CIA. They are able to do what they do because people never take it seriously enough.

I have to admit that Eric's statements have me worried about him. Livning out in a tent somewhere to avoid surveillence is probably an overreaction.

However I can't deny that I think there will come a time when TPTB will try to silence the peak oil message. If it ever comes ot the point where peak oil seems likely to causes civil unrest you will see alot of interest in it and you by the government.

Psyops has weaknesses and limitations. It can't get you if you are marginalized within the culture, if you are a free thinker, if you have the ability to see things outside the box. If you allow your sense of self to be given to you by the culture, they can pepper the culture with disinformation and affect your thought life pretty heavily. It' s hard to do alot of things when you are thinking about things you would not otherwise have considered.

Look at the 20 million Oprah-ites who are now walking right into a New Age Religious perspective on life that has slowly been cultivated in them. They faithfully make any book she recommends a best seller, not matter the content. The gospel acording to Oprah has been understood for a long time, but still she has dedicated soccer moms all over the country dancing to her beat, and she loves it that way. Now the old girl does'nt even pretend, she very plainly says Christianity is not the only way. Well fine for her right? But the Bible and the accepted faith of millions says otherwise. Why did Oprah need to get into the business of faith to begin with?

I'm surprised so many of you question the status quo at all, since you seem to have so little ability to face an altered reality, it must all be a sick game for you. I'm laughing to myself as I write this. You talk all big and theorize on this board and others, but what are you going to do if any of the things we talk about come to pass?

Most of you will start working for the first person who shoves their hand toward you with some money in it. And some of you already are working for TPTB. You integrity is impressive.

Oh, and just to add another element, the Presidential race is another reason why some people are getting psyop'ed. Rove was using data mining and some psyop techniques years ago. Clinton is probably using some now. There are no scruples that restrain them if they think they can win. There is a flaming culture war going on with many people who agree to sort of play by the rules only because the alternative is worse. Make no mistake in each of the major ideological camps there are whackos who under the veneer would be happy to take out anyone who opposes them if they could get away with it. Tell me that there is really a difference in intent between destroying the career of someone who opposes you and murdering them? Those who can destroy a lifetime's work with a smile on their face and a friendly handshake are Lucifer's prodigies.

Oh, America, America, you who reject the prophets and stone those who are sent to you. If even now you understood what was necessary for peace. It is hidden from your eyes.

Enjoy that extra fifty bucks on your SSI check! I hope it is worth your friendly participation in voiding the Constitution! You know who you are.

[Ludi]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gandalf_the_White', 'I') think Eric is either delusional and off his meds or he is being very facetious (waggish.)

[Ferretlover]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gandalf_the_White', 'O')h, America, America, you who reject the prophets and stone those who are sent to you. If even now you understood what was necessary for peace. It is hidden from your eyes.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 'B')eing ready to believe something if provided with good evidence is different, however, from being ready to believe anything just because someone tells you they think it's true.

[Gandalf_the_White]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gandalf_the_White', 'I') think Eric is either delusional and off his meds or he is being very facetious (waggish.)

[Ludi]

Wow, way to misunderstand me! I wasn't talking about Gandalf's religious ideas, but about his fear of being watched.
But at least I know he loves me!

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BigTex', 't')hreadbear, if anything I try to always keep my eye out for out of the way ideas and I'm usually willing to listen to any story until it just gets too fantastic.
Good thoughts, though, on what I might call the "momentum of conformity" or something like that. It's a lot of work to continually be questioning your assumptions about everything.
Being ready to believe something if provided with good evidence is different, however, from being ready to believe anything just because someone tells you they think it's true.