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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby threadbear » Thu 20 Mar 2008, 21:56:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t's my pet theory that many of our illnesses, even the "mental" ones, will turn out to be metabolic, and caused by not being able to handle the foods we eat (many of which we haven't been eating long enough to have adapted to as a species, such as corn syrup).


Bingo. Have you done the Caveman food elimination diet?
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby Ludi » Thu 20 Mar 2008, 22:00:49

Not yet, though I am definitely interested in attempting it.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Thu 20 Mar 2008, 23:11:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '
')Same Hubberts. I was also a serial cereal consumer. Same reaction as you. Yogurt too. My guess is it's not the cereal, it's the milk. My blood sugar levels are okay now, but when I had them tested 20 years ago, they were really bad. I had the dubious pleasure of being the most extreme case of low blood sugar the techs at the lab had ever seen, so they said. I have a chronic illness that impacts immune and endocrine system...That is the likely root cause....and I was dieting and not eating properly. PM me with anything more about your health. If we're anything alike, I may be able to give you some pointers.


I sent you a pm.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Thu 20 Mar 2008, 23:17:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t's my pet theory that many of our illnesses, even the "mental" ones, will turn out to be metabolic, and caused by not being able to handle the foods we eat (many of which we haven't been eating long enough to have adapted to as a species, such as corn syrup).


Agreed. Especially HFCS, which is probably the main cause of obesity. I think it also worsens symptoms of anxiety and add.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby threadbear » Thu 20 Mar 2008, 23:21:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('hubbertspeak7777777', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I')t's my pet theory that many of our illnesses, even the "mental" ones, will turn out to be metabolic, and caused by not being able to handle the foods we eat (many of which we haven't been eating long enough to have adapted to as a species, such as corn syrup).


Agreed. Especially HFCS, which is probably the main cause of obesity. I think it also worsens symptoms of anxiety and add.


What is hfcs?
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby eastbay » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 00:23:22

high fructose corn syrup

HFCS

AKA: Poison
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby yeahbut » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 02:32:38

I'm gonna ignore my own promise and your invitation steam_cannon and keep posting for a little bit...

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'S')he explained that panic attacks are a kind of vicious cycle of
feedback between the brain and the body. The body responds to
the anxiety one is feeling with adrenalin, which in turn makes one
more fearful, so more adrenalin, and round and round it goes.


But I think her conclusion about
adrenalin is wrong.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '
')So off the cuff, it doesn't sound like an adrenalin issue to me.

"PANIC ATTACKS - Reassuring Information for Sufferers
Panic attacks develop because adrenalin, the hormone responsible for the fight or fight response to potential threats, is released into the blood stream."
www.panic-anxiety.com/panic/attacks/

"panic attacks...are a subset of an evolutionary response referred to as fight or flight that occur out of context, flooding the body with hormones(particularly epinephrine(adrenaline))"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_attacks

"In panic attacks the body releases adrenalin and becomes more alert, producing the 'fight or flight' response."
www.stresswatchscotland.org/panic.htm

Certainly seems like adrenalin is part of the picture. Maybe that therapist did know what she was talking about? And as vision_master's fascinating articles show, it sure is a good thing to try other options before an SSRI if you can.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 11:09:35

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'h')igh fructose corn syrup

HFCS

AKA: Poison


Also causing the current epidemic of diabetes.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby eastbay » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 12:15:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'h')igh fructose corn syrup

HFCS

AKA: Poison


Also causing the current epidemic of diabetes.


It's tough to live without allowing a small amount of this garbage into your bodies because it's found in so much packaged food. The trick is to greatly minimize one's intake primarily by not drinking soft drinks, energy drinks, trash candy and processed foods that use it in large amounts. I suspect the harmful effects can be greatly minimized in this manner.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby vision-master » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 13:06:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'h')igh fructose corn syrup

HFCS

AKA: Poison


Also causing the current epidemic of diabetes.


It's tough to live without allowing a small amount of this garbage into your bodies because it's found in so much packaged food. The trick is to greatly minimize one's intake primarily by not drinking soft drinks, energy drinks, trash candy and processed foods that use it in large amounts. I suspect the harmful effects can be greatly minimized in this manner.


I'm finding Coca Cola is bad shit - even a few cans a week. How can some drink that shit all day long.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 13:42:06

I couldn't find any items in our pantry which contain corn syrup. We eat relatively little processed food.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby Ferretlover » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 14:08:13

You've probably seen this list before re: Coke:
If you pour Coke (yes, the soda) on a slab of pork, wait a little while, you will SEE WORMS crawl out of it.

COKE You'll never drink it again:
1. In many states (in the USA) the highway patrol carries two gallons of Coke in the trunk to remove blood from the highway after a car accident.
2. You can put a T-bone steak in a bowl of coke and it will be gone in two days.
3. To clean a toilet: Pour a can of Coca-Cola into the toilet bowl and .......Let the "real thing" sit for one hour, then flush clean. The citric acid in Coke removes stains from vitreous china.
4. To remove rust spots from chrome car bumpers: Rub the bumper with a crumpled-up piece of Reynolds Wrap aluminum foil dipped in Coca-Cola.
5. To clean corrosion from car battery terminals: Pour a can of Coca-Cola over the terminals to bubble away the corrosion.
6. To loosen a rusted bolt: Applying a cloth soaked in Coca-Cola to the rusted bolt for several minutes.
7. To remove grease from clothes: Empty a can of coke into a load of greasy clothes, add detergent, And run through a regular cycle. The Coca-Cola will help loosen grease stains. It will also clean road haze from your windshield.
FYI:
1. The active ingredient in Coke is phosphoric acid. Its Ph is 2.8. It will dissolve a nail in about 4 days.
2. To carry Coca-Cola syrup (the concentrate) the commercial truck must use the Hazardous material place cards reserved for Highly corrosive materials.
3. The distributors of coke have been using it to clean the engines of their trucks for about 20 years!


When I was stationed in San Antonio for basic and tech school in Biloxi, we poured Coke on the ceramic shower stall walls to cut the soap residue. Worked great!
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby Stratovarius » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 14:12:39

I have abstained from drinking any sodas for months and I'm a teenager. It is possible lol.

I have had energy drinks which is probably worse but occasionally I "needed" them to study. You have to make a balance though since caffeine depletes B-vitamins which makes you stupid.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby eastbay » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 14:21:09

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') couldn't find any items in our pantry which contain corn syrup. We eat relatively little processed food.


Take a look at the little label for the whole grain bread in your pantry. It's written into the plastic wrapping and I can barely read it... but there it is: HFCS. Or the bagels too! And that little yogurt container. Then get back to me on that claim. HA!!

Ludi, the stuff has invaded just about everything. There's no escape. We're all trapped on this one.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 14:22:27

We make our own bread.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby eastbay » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 14:36:17

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')e make our own bread.


I rest my case. That's the only way to avoid the stuff.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby hubbertspeak7777777 » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 21:52:14

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')e make our own bread.


I rest my case. That's the only way to avoid the stuff.


Bread sucks anyways. If I eat bread, I end up feeling hungry an hour later.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby Ludi » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 22:21:58

I'm afraid I really love bread, especially buttered toast! Who knows, it may be the cause of all my problems! :shock:
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby steam_cannon » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 23:10:48

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'S')he explained that panic attacks are a kind of vicious cycle...

...more adrenalin, and round and round it goes.


But I think her conclusion about
adrenalin is wrong.

"PANIC ATTACKS - Reassuring Information for Sufferers
Panic attacks develop because adrenalin, the hormone responsible
for the fight or fight response to potential threats, is released into
the blood stream."
www.panic-anxiety.com/panic/attacks/

...

Certainly seems like adrenalin is part of the picture. Maybe that
therapist did know what she was talking about?
And as
vision_master's fascinating articles show, it sure is a good thing to
try other options before an SSRI if you can.

Are you the king of "Out of Context"?

My comment was in regard to the therapist suggesting that
overreaction to adrenalin was the cause aka "adrenaline round and round".
I am in no way saying adrenalin is not involved. Obviously adrenalin
is involved, but crashing GABA, low tryptophan and serotonin is what
appears to get it all started, not "adrenaline round and round".
If sensitivity to adrenalin was the problem, exercise would trigger it.

I'm looking at the problem a level deeper then you. You're looking
at the adrenalin stage of the response, I'm looking at what comes
before that, aka the root biological causes of panic attacks.

And hey run all you want, you're not going to get more tryptophan in
your diet by running. Running/exercise will raise nerotransmiter levels,
but that won't help if underlying deficiencies are present.
And for people who aren't suffering from Mc Dietary issues,
sure exercise should help, but also some people might need to run
ten miles to get enough exercise.

I agree with you that exercise is a good thing but like with depression,
exercise alone is not the answer for many people. There are other
things to consider like changes in diet, removing food sensitivities
and medication where appropriate.
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Re: Panic Attacks and POers

Unread postby steam_cannon » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 23:19:01

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'h')igh fructose corn syrup

HFCS

AKA: Poison

Yeah you could devote a whole thread to the negative health benefits of HFCS...
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