by yeahbut » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 02:32:38
I'm gonna ignore my own promise and your invitation steam_cannon and keep posting for a little bit...
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'S')he explained that panic attacks are a kind of vicious cycle of
feedback between the brain and the body. The body responds to
the anxiety one is feeling with adrenalin, which in turn makes one
more fearful, so more adrenalin, and round and round it goes.
But I think her conclusion about
adrenalin is wrong.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '
')
So off the cuff, it doesn't sound like an adrenalin issue to me.
"PANIC ATTACKS - Reassuring Information for Sufferers
Panic attacks develop because adrenalin, the hormone responsible for the fight or fight response to potential threats, is released into the blood stream."
www.panic-anxiety.com/panic/attacks/
"panic attacks...are a subset of an evolutionary response referred to as fight or flight that occur out of context, flooding the body with hormones(particularly epinephrine(adrenaline))"
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_attacks
"In panic attacks the body releases adrenalin and becomes more alert, producing the 'fight or flight' response."
www.stresswatchscotland.org/panic.htm
Certainly seems like adrenalin is part of the picture. Maybe that therapist did know what she was talking about? And as vision_master's fascinating articles show, it sure is a good thing to try other options before an SSRI if you can.
by eastbay » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 12:15:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'h')igh fructose corn syrup
HFCS
AKA: Poison
Also causing the current epidemic of diabetes.
It's tough to live without allowing a small amount of this garbage into your bodies because it's found in so much packaged food. The trick is to greatly minimize one's intake primarily by not drinking soft drinks, energy drinks, trash candy and processed foods that use it in large amounts. I suspect the harmful effects can be greatly minimized in this manner.
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by vision-master » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 13:06:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'h')igh fructose corn syrup
HFCS
AKA: Poison
Also causing the current epidemic of diabetes.
It's tough to live without allowing a small amount of this garbage into your bodies because it's found in so much packaged food. The trick is to greatly minimize one's intake primarily by not drinking soft drinks, energy drinks, trash candy and processed foods that use it in large amounts. I suspect the harmful effects can be greatly minimized in this manner.
I'm finding Coca Cola is bad shit - even a few cans a week. How can some drink that shit all day long.
by eastbay » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 14:21:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'I') couldn't find any items in our pantry which contain corn syrup. We eat relatively little processed food.
Take a look at the little label for the whole grain bread in your pantry. It's written into the plastic wrapping and I can barely read it... but there it is: HFCS. Or the bagels too! And that little yogurt container. Then get back to me on that claim. HA!!
Ludi, the stuff has invaded just about everything. There's no escape. We're all trapped on this one.
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by eastbay » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 14:36:17
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')e make our own bread.
I rest my case. That's the only way to avoid the stuff.
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by hubbertspeak7777777 » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 21:52:14
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', 'W')e make our own bread.
I rest my case. That's the only way to avoid the stuff.
Bread sucks anyways. If I eat bread, I end up feeling hungry an hour later.
by steam_cannon » Fri 21 Mar 2008, 23:10:48
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('steam_cannon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('yeahbut', 'S')he explained that panic attacks are a kind of vicious cycle...
...more adrenalin, and round and round it goes.
But I think her conclusion about
adrenalin is wrong.
"PANIC ATTACKS - Reassuring Information for Sufferers
Panic attacks develop because adrenalin, the hormone responsible
for the fight or fight response to potential threats, is released into
the blood stream."
www.panic-anxiety.com/panic/attacks/ ...
Certainly seems like adrenalin is part of the picture. Maybe that
therapist did know what she was talking about? And as
vision_master's fascinating articles show, it sure is a good thing to
try other options before an SSRI if you can.
Are you the king of "Out of Context"?
My comment was in regard to the therapist suggesting that
overreaction to adrenalin
was the cause aka "adrenaline round and round".
I am in no way saying adrenalin is not involved. Obviously adrenalin
is involved, but crashing GABA, low tryptophan and serotonin is what
appears to get it all started, not "adrenaline round and round".
If sensitivity to adrenalin was the problem, exercise would trigger it.
I'm looking at the problem a level deeper then you. You're looking
at the adrenalin stage of the response, I'm looking at what comes
before that, aka the root biological causes of panic attacks.
And hey run all you want, you're not going to get more tryptophan in
your diet by running. Running/exercise will raise nerotransmiter levels,
but that won't help if underlying deficiencies are present.
And for people who aren't suffering from Mc Dietary issues,
sure exercise should help, but also some people might need to run
ten miles to get enough exercise.
I agree with you that exercise is a good thing but like with depression,
exercise alone is not the answer for many people. There are other
things to consider like changes in diet, removing food sensitivities
and medication where appropriate.