[PopeGideon]

JeeBomba.

Good assessment - I agree.

I love the way that acknowledgment of observable facts makes you racist.

If I see that blacks are more violent than whites but don't note it, I'm not called a racist. If I point it out after seeing it, I'm a racist.

I suppose it depends on your definition of racism.

Mine is . . .

. . . when you dislike/hate a particular person because of his/her race.

Mine is not . . .

. . . when you point out observable, but very negative, traits that you have repeatedly observed in members of race X, but you do not dislike/hate any members of race X solely because they are a member of race X.

[Precipice]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JeeBoomba', 'I')n my opinion, the problem with Kunstler is that he desperately wants to see the end of the current status quo so badly that he just latches on to anything that comes along and proclaims that this is it, this is the Big One that's going to reshape the world the way he thinks it should look.
TEOTWAWKI is a foregone conclusion in his mind and so he sees the end of the world in every bit of news that comes along. He's into doom porn, basically. And let's face it, many posters here engage in the same behavior, though less frequently than when I first registered. Loads of people have their personal reasons for wanting TEOTWAWKI--the spoiled elitists like Kunstler want to see the end of lowbrow culture, the racists want to see the blacks and Mexicans starve to death while building their white nation, the fundies want to see Jesus return, etc.
Kunstler is just another asshole with an agenda, except he's written some books and managed to find a way to prop up his faltering self-importance.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ine is . . .

. . . when you dislike/hate a particular person because of his/her race.

Mine is not . . .

. . . when you point out observable, but very negative, traits that you have repeatedly observed in members of race X, but you do not dislike/hate any members of race X solely because they are a member of race X.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')ine is . . .

. . . when you dislike/hate a particular person because of his/her race.

Mine is not . . .

. . . when you point out observable, but very negative, traits that you have repeatedly observed in members of race X, but you do not dislike/hate any members of race X solely because they are a member of race X.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'I') wish I had preserved the comment on his website from 2001 when he called for the carpet-bombing of Afghan civilians. He scrubbed it, of course.

[JeeBoomba]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Precipice', 'I')t does seem like he wants to see the end of the current status quo- but why? Is it because of some personal issue/grudge/perversion he has, or is it perhaps because he has researched the current status quo and had a good look at where it is heading (ie worldwide ecological, economic and perhaps even cultural ruin) and concluded that its likely to come to an end by its own hand, both by virtue of natural necessity and its inherent (self-) destructiveness?

[Tyler_JC]

Great find MacG!

I'm adding his Y2K blog to my signature.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'I') wish I had preserved the comment on his website from 2001 when he called for the carpet-bombing of Afghan civilians. He scrubbed it, of course.

[emersonbiggins]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mos6507', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'I') wish I had preserved the comment on his website from 2001 when he called for the carpet-bombing of Afghan civilians. He scrubbed it, of course.

[emersonbiggins]

If there is any doubt of Kunstler's neocon roots, let them perish here:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Failure to comply ought to result in the complete destruction of Kabul and other Taliban-controlled towns.
Second, the people of Iraq should be warned to depart their capital city, Baghdad, which should then be completely destroyed.
The nation of Israel should begin immediately the deportation of Palestinians from the West Bank to the Kingdom of Jordan. The people of Gaza Strip should be transported to Egypt, and the Gaza incorporated into the state of Israel.
The government of Syria should be notified to begin evacuations of Damascus pending its destruction within a short time frame. Ditto Tripoli, capital of Lybia.

[PopeGideon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')ailure to comply ought to result in the complete destruction of Kabul and other Taliban-controlled towns.
Second, the people of Iraq should be warned to depart their capital city, Baghdad, which should then be completely destroyed.
The nation of Israel should begin immediately the deportation of Palestinians from the West Bank to the Kingdom of Jordan. The people of Gaza Strip should be transported to Egypt, and the Gaza incorporated into the state of Israel.
The government of Syria should be notified to begin evacuations of Damascus pending its destruction within a short time frame. Ditto Tripoli, capital of Lybia.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', 'I')f there is any doubts of Kunstler's neocon roots, let them perish here:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')Failure to comply ought to result in the complete destruction of Kabul and other Taliban-controlled towns.
Second, the people of Iraq should be warned to depart their capital city, Baghdad, which should then be completely destroyed.
The nation of Israel should begin immediately the deportation of Palestinians from the West Bank to the Kingdom of Jordan. The people of Gaza Strip should be transported to Egypt, and the Gaza incorporated into the state of Israel.
The government of Syria should be notified to begin evacuations of Damascus pending its destruction within a short time frame. Ditto Tripoli, capital of Lybia.

[efarmer]

Well I suppose we just figured out another Peak Resources
human who is imperfect. How in the world can we ever be
perfectly f*cked if we can't find perfect people to do it to us?
We are imperfect people waiting for the perfect spokesperson
to herald the most imperfect time in our imperfect history.

Ignoring consensus and looking for perfection is how
we came up into Peak Oil with our heads in the clouds and
our ass in the wind, and a hope in our hearts we can
find the magic trick that puts us back in the game so we
can go for broke by the dashboard lights the night before
the big race for honor with our car titles on the line.

You can't make this shit up people, even if you blame it on
a Jew. This thread reads like the connisseur's of doom with
their noses in each other's ass and acting like it's a wine tasting.

[mos6507]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', '
')We are imperfect people waiting for the perfect spokesperson
to herald the most imperfect time in our imperfect history.

[JeeBoomba]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('efarmer', 'W')ell I suppose we just figured out another Peak Resources
human who is imperfect. How in the world can we ever be
perfectly f*cked if we can't find perfect people to do it to us?
We are imperfect people waiting for the perfect spokesperson
to herald the most imperfect time in our imperfect history.

Ignoring consensus and looking for perfection is how
we came up into Peak Oil with our heads in the clouds and
our ass in the wind, and a hope in our hearts we can
find the magic trick that puts us back in the game so we
can go for broke by the dashboard lights the night before
the big race for honor with our car titles on the line.

You can't make this shit up people, even if you blame it on
a Jew. This thread reads like the connisseur's of doom with
their noses in each other's ass and acting like it's a wine tasting.

[efarmer]

I came back to read my post here and I realize why I work so
hard to find the humor and the worth, in people and posts here.
I do it so I don't get so frustrated and pissed off that I spew a
bunch of venom indiscriminately like I did here earlier. Sorry for
bringing a stink bomb to a keyboard party.

Cheap oil has been a big driver for a world where neighbors
don't know each other, they don't have to work at tolerating and
cooperating past their differences, in short, they don't have to pull
together for the common good. This leaves them easy pickings to
spinmeisters and strategists who help them divide up into insulated
groups and bash each other to drum up power and money that
doesn't serve very many of them, but it makes the world quite nice
for a select few and that is all that matters.


We have a bash word for almost everyone and it makes it so easy
to sort it all out and understand without any personal interaction
to see if it is remotely accurate or useful or necessary.


The idea that we face resource depletion with canned and artificial
ideas of who everyone is and what it means before we even try
makes me want to pull fire out of my belly and howl like a wolf.


Cheap oil is over for sure, sorry for making it worse with cheap talk.

[emersonbiggins]

Please don't take us calling Kunstler out as indication of a fracturing of the PO worldview. Kunstler's acerbic lectures are what brought me to this site, but since then he has ratcheted up his vitriol and contempt to suffocating levels, all but drowning out any good intentions the man may have in bringing "the good news" to J6P. Kunstler is likely doing more harm as a figurehead for PO than good.

Again, I agree with Kunstler 100% re: peak oil, but the man is a textbook sociopath. May the hordes from the Bronx stop at his insular burg on their way out.

[efarmer]

And so, having belched out all his smoke and vinegar for the day,
efarmer headed home for hot tongue and cold shoulder,
then to slumber and dream that the sofa back he snuggled
up against was instead one of the fine tomatos from his
glorious salad days...

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('emersonbiggins', ' ')the man is a textbook sociopath.

[emersonbiggins]

Take it easy.