[Aaron]

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Aaron', '[')img]http://www.peakoil.com/images/forumicons/forum_troll.jpg[/img]

[Narz]

Besides, if it ever gets too expensive people will simply coordinate their shittin' & shower times a bit more carefully.

[TonyPrep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 't')he tar sands which can support more than 5 mbpd

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]One elderly man who called Midcoast Maine Community Action told receptionist Candy Downs that he was keeping warm by staying under the covers of a bed and running a hair dryer.

"It's sad. It makes me want to cry," she said.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]One elderly man who called Midcoast Maine Community Action told receptionist Candy Downs that he was keeping warm by staying under the covers of a bed and running a hair dryer.

"It's sad. It makes me want to cry," she said.

[Dezakin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 't')he tar sands which can support more than 5 mbpd

[PhebaAndThePilgrim]

Good day from Pheba, from the farm:
Just a quick follow-up from yesterday. Barn roof is free of ice. Hubby spent two days scraping ice from roof. Barn roof is safe now. Hubby is a carpenter and very good at math. He sat down and did the math on the square feet of barn roof, and the weight of the ice, and the thickness of the ice.
According to his math (which is usually very accurate), he moved over 22 tons of ice over a two day period.
He was so sore last night he had to sleep in the recliner so his shoulders would stop hurting.
Now he is cutting firewood for the wood stove.
Pheba.

[threadbear]

Wow Pheba. Good hearing your news and views--always love reading them. Does your husband have a harness he can use when doing these kinds of chores, or is there simply no place to attach the harness? I insisted my husband get a really good harness when he was painting the back of the house. We're on the top of a steep decline and it would be game over if he fell.

I think JD is actually making a good point. Many people will begin to drive less, and also switch to cheaper driving modes if it gets much worse. But food is another matter, as you point out. It has to get from point a to point b, and I for one, have never seen a crate of lettuce hop on a moped and traverse the continent.

[Pixie]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', '
')
So you don't believe that somebody who is spending a lot of money on gas every month might get tempted by a scooter? You know, they see an ad, or hear about it from a friend, that these mopeds get 100 miles/gallon, versus their current 20mpg. And they go home and work it out. It turns out that they can actually save about $US 4.50 an hour by driving a moped. It's like working a second job, where you earn an extra $4.50 for every hour you drive. Would you drive a moped for a tax-free $4.50 an hour? I would. If I was a low wage guy in America right now with gas at $3.50, I could definitely be tempted by a nice moped. Especially with a good ad campaign that played up the money angle. A hot moped like this:

You don't think that a certain percentage of people might give in and purchase a scooter, without being forced but by being tempted, by the money?

[TonyPrep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dezakin', 't')he tar sands which can support more than 5 mbpd

[Dezakin]

When you have reserves in the hundreds of billions of barrels accessible by surface mining, and resources in the trillions of barrrels potentially accessible with advanced in-situ techniques, you can set the flow rate as high as capital allows.

With surface mining its simply a matter of building more trucks. With In situ techniques its often a matter of simply building more infrastructure.

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', 'P')etroleum-based energy costs increased at a 20.6 percent annual rate
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/cpi.nr0.htm

A 20.6% increase in energy cost over the last 12 months ending Oct ’07 hardly seems inconsequential, JD.

And of course the graph first posted hardly takes in the entire picture - but that is par for this particular brand of propaganda I suppose.

At some point when the graph of total liquids looks like the one posted, I’ll guess a 20.6%/year increase will seem like the good old days.

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', 'L')ike Pheba says you need to think on longer time scales than the next minute or two. And people like her are right to be angry about being squeezed out of making a living by this mess.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'A')ctually, the graph of liquids looks almost exactly like the one for oil. See for yourself:

Compare with the latest stats on world economic growth from the U.N.:

[JohnDenver]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '[')b]One elderly man who called Midcoast Maine Community Action told receptionist Candy Downs that he was keeping warm by staying under the covers of a bed and running a hair dryer.

"It's sad. It makes me want to cry," she said.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JohnDenver', 'P')eak oil will be a dramatic transition,

... If you get screwed in the transition, you have nobody to blame but yourself. Capitalism is a competitive, dynamic system. You snooze, you lose.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'J')D remind me. What is your point anyway?