[grabby]

Ah your right, sorry.

Its called Work for food
or work for life

or work for to keep out of jail.

[Pretorian]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', 'A')h your right, sorry.

Its called Work for food
or work for life

or work for to keep out of jail.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pretorian', 'T')hat? Sure! But what do debts have to do with it? nothing.
I say fuck the usurers in all ways you can , while you can, period.
This is sheeple mentality, all this debt talks you have over and over.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', 'I')ts called Work for food
or work for life

or work for to keep out of jail.

[grabby]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rdberg1957', ' ')

Orlov's general proposition that all empires collapse eventually is uncontestable. Whether the collapse is brutal or gradual depends on many factors which may accompany decreased resources. Rome had problems with the black plague which snuffed out its resurgence in the 6th century. His case for the US being more vulnerable than the Soviet empire is quite strong, particularly as we are all vulnerable to losing our homes.

[Kingcoal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('grabby', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('rdberg1957', ' ')

Orlov's general proposition that all empires collapse eventually is uncontestable. Whether the collapse is brutal or gradual depends on many factors which may accompany decreased resources. Rome had problems with the black plague which snuffed out its resurgence in the 6th century. His case for the US being more vulnerable than the Soviet empire is quite strong, particularly as we are all vulnerable to losing our homes.

[roccman]

Link

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S., unable to finance its deficits and fund its sovereign debt, is forced into raising interest rates drastically in order to borrow. The Fed is forced to print money. An inflationary spiral occurs. Meanwhile the high interest rates and high oil prices, not to mention the shock of a spreading conflict, drive the U.S. economy into severe decline. The U.S. attempts to raise taxes in order to fund itself, further crippling the economy.

Gold soars to $1,500–$2,000 an ounce.

The U.S. attempts to bolster its military forces. The draft is reinstated. The severity of the emergency allows Bush and Cheney to assume emergency powers and begin a dictatorship. Elections are postponed.

[chumley]

I do not see war with Iran via Bush and Cheney. Just too much disgust with Iraq in the country at this time. And the world would be outraged. I will not say it is an impossible scenario however.

The economy is ready to crumble. I see the 1970's written all over it. There are many similarities:

1. War Viet Nam/Iraq
2.ARM's These risky type loans are NOT a new thing
3. Inflation/deflation of dollar
4. Erosion of manufacturing base in the national economy

I grew up during this period and remember the problems vividly.
High unemployment, high interest rates, high inflation and an economy in shambles.

This will be a good thing. People will return to appreciating the finer things in life....conversation with neighbors, reading books, enjoying family home time, realizing that life is about giving and helping. True happiness can only be attained from within.......no matter how rich or poor you are.

We only know sunshine for knowledge of darkness.
We only know joy for knowledge of sorrow.

I have accepted my mortality so as to appreciate my life. I go forth into this brave new world at peace with myself and my loved ones.
I no longer fear.

I have finished reading a book which teaches the lessons of Tao Te Ching in modern times. This book has profoundly changed my life and how I view the world. For all the people who are extremely worried, so much so they become obsessed with doom( I once was)
this is the title:

Change Your Thoughts-Change Your Life
by Dr. Wayne Dyer

This book literally saved my sense of sanity.

" Wisdom is knowing I am nothing
love is knowing I am everything
and between the two my life moves."
Nisargadatta Maharaj

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S., unable to finance its deficits and fund its sovereign debt, is forced into raising interest rates drastically

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he U.S., unable to finance its deficits and fund its sovereign debt, is forced into raising interest rates drastically

[virgincrude]

The Planned Collapse of America

Okay, it doesn't touch on Peak Oil but plenty here for those of you who share suspicions that the New World Order is descending upon you (i.e Americans.):

"The government has known for decades that America is on a countdown to self-destruction. Among the elite it is common knowledge that our "global economy" must one day collapse from its own dead weight. In 1974 an intensive research project was undertaken by the Stanford Research Institute and the Charles F. Kettering Foundation for the Dept. of Education. Their final report was released as the Changing Images of Man. It was compiled by the SRI Center for the Study of Social Policy, Director Willis Harmon. This is a far-reaching investigation into how the basic nature of man might be changed. The Aquarian Conspiracy describes the implementation of their work in the real world.

.......The American catastrophe is causing the breakdown of the world economy for the same reason, the basic inability of monopoly capitalism to meet the basic needs demanded by the world's people.

Bush's appointed task is to bully America through this turbulent period of upheaval, with as little disruption of corporate activity as possible. Government has taken the words of this study to heart, preparing a manipulative transformation, to divert or preempt the coming collapse of our nation with a massive war today. This is also one of the primary reasons for the coming world war, to serve as a prelude to American martial law. Instead of calling out the troops after the insurrection has begun, they plan to call out the troops first. If the American military is to forcefully control the homeland, including their own relatives, then the troops must first be convinced that the nation's survival depends upon their patriotic actions. This is why the world war against Iran has not started yet, because our National Guard must first be convinced that its duty is to put down the American rebellion which will surely accompany the bombing of Iran. The timing for their great takeover is crucial, if they want to move America past (through) the social unrest as quickly as possible"

[Ludi]

If people rebel by simply staying home, there won't be much "unrest" to put down. This would really disappoint the martial law crowd, a rebellion so quiet no riots occur, yet everything grinds to a halt.


Not saying it would work, just suggesting it as an option.

[kadoomsoon]

Eh, don't worry so much. Can't stop it.

[kadoomsoon]

Resistance is futile.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kadoomsoon', 'Y')ou are sitill thinking on lower levels, you don't understand the incomprehensible evil that is ruining this earth.

Even the illuminated ones who set up the wars and destruction over the centuries are going to get double crossed big time in the end, and will not enjoy any of the rewards they were promised and lied about. They will find there is no eternal party they are in charge of, all lies.. In fact it is the end of all of them and they don't even know it...
The skull and two bones pirate sign means "double cross death" and nothing would exhibit such malignant evil as to take your faithful evil generals and servants and double cross them in the end.

When the final unstoppable events are unleashed they will realize they were all lied to, even the stonefellers.

[Kingcoal]

I don't think it's about a desire for collapse; it's just an acknowledgement that rough times are ahead and recommendations for preparation. In my opinion, the Iraq war is not much more than a training and testing ground where these ideas can be employed and evolved. In Iraq, the US military must deal with being occupiers, which is good training for future missions.

The only problem I see with Rockefeller and his like is that while they really are trying to do something good, they are first and foremost acting in self-interest. All of their plans for the world center around preserving the status quo, world banking system. I'm 45 and I've seen everything and I mean everything around me change. I grew up where most everyone worked in a factory somewhere and boy has that changed. People's attitudes about being an employee and whatnot have completely changed. However there are two things that have remained constant: government and banking. Actually, banking has changed; it's gotten a lot more profitable, much more profitable than it as an institution deserves. While other industries have had to become orders of magnitude more efficient, banking and finance are more bloated than ever. I think this is the result of these think tank policies.

We have met the enemy and his name is Rockefeller. In the words of Thomas Jefferson:
"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks will deprive The People of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to The People, to whom it properly belongs".

Amen

[virgincrude]

Tyler, I think your view reflects the opinions of the majority of people who are only glancingly familiar with the whole Elite Capitalist Bilderberg-style New World Order. It does seem counter-intuitive to seek to destroy the goose laying the golden egg. But one has to dig deeper to get the whole picture. And there are far too many warning signs indicating the outcome as expressed in this article, the 'conspiracy' has been being implemented for a very long time, with an equally long term post-collapse agenda.

But I also think you're not up to speed with the so-called 'outside world' view of peak Oil. Obviously I can't speak for your own local experience, (assuming you're in the US) but I have the impression most of the chattering classes in Europe are aware of the global decline in available crude. Indeed, it's practically being shoved down our throats with new reports related to alternative energy sources, the drive to conserve, the credit crunch and slow down in economies being shouted from the headlines every day. They just don't call it Peak Oil.

kadoomsoon (as his screen name implies) is convinced the social outcome of PO in conjunction with the world recession, will be death and destruction. Others who have commented on this article have more constructive comments for American citizens, such as:

"We work to elect Ron Paul to return the country as much as possible to its Constitutional roots.

We initiate profound monetary reform by getting rid of the Federal Reserve system and return the power of the central bank to the Treasury Department. We nationalize the central bank, in other words, as the Constitution prescribes. However, we do not return to the gold standard. No!

We withdraw all US troops from Iraq and close 90% of overseas military bases. We subject the DOD and every hidden operation within the military complex to extensive financial audit and make accountable every dime these bastards have stolen.

We eliminate the IRS and rescind the 16th Amendment.

We invest the "peace dividend" in alternative energy. We remove control of new energy technologies from the multinational corporations like GE. We mandate the development of electric and hydrogen-based transportation systems.

We strip the oil companies of their ability to bribe and intimidate. We outlaw all private "security" operations like Blackwater and other guns for hires.

We eliminate most functions of the CIA and rewrite the National Security Act of 1947.

We mandate that major media supply free air time for any and all political candidates. We submit all elected officials, bureaucrats, and appointees to rigorous financial audits to eliminate those who are on the take.

We ignore people like David Rockefeller and reports like "The Changing Images of Man" and get on with the business of rediscovering our Constitutional roots. We reaffirm that the sole purpose of our government is to support and defend the unalienable rights of every individual and to promote the general welfare that collectively each individual represents"

[Tyler_JC]

OK, get rid of the IRS and replace it with...what?

The government needs revenue to pay its existing and future liabilities.

We can't suddenly go from a PAYGO to a fully-funded social security system. Medicare and Medicaid can't suddenly be eliminated without public consensus that old folks don't deserve the medical care which they have been promised. The Military can be reduced, perhaps by as much as a third but we need to replace aging equipment and pay demobilization costs. Debt must be serviced and interest rates are unlikely to stay low in the long term.

...

And that is 80%+ of the budget, folks.



The federal government will not be able to pay for anything other than Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, interest on the debt, and military expenditures relatively soon.

And you want to get rid of the IRS? What else is going to bring in a trillion dollars in revenue every year?

Moreover, the income tax system is more progressive now than it was under Clinton and far more progressive than it was under Reagan and Bush 1. The argument that the income tax is rigged to screw over the middle class is not accurate.

As for the Bilderberg group NWO stuff, I just don't buy it. I've read enough of the literature to understand that most of it is fantasy. There are simply too many moving parts for any single group to control the global economy. I have also yet to see any legitimate proof that TPTB even exist or have interests that are so aligned with one another that they can work together to accomplish all kind of nefarious activities.

[I_Like_Plants]

Ludi - Play hooky, great idea!

That's essentially what I'm doing now.... playing hooky. Work has no rewards since anything I earn will be taken away, and if I'm really not big on feeing the beast, well, I'm sure not earning anything that can be taxed!

There's a book out, Radical Simplicity, has a feather on the cover, which advocates essentially playing hookey. The author doesn't call it that, he just talks about how he was an aerospace or "defense" engineer and starting thinking too much about what he was doing. He decided to gear back to where his income was (a) the world average and (b) too low to tax. I think he came up with about 6 grand a year. After deductions that gives you 4 grand a year or a bit less, below the taxable level.

He states that anyone who disagrees with what the US gov't is doing should first stop paying them. The only legal and ethical way to do that is to make sure you don't make very much.

[Pops]

I’ll just put it out here:

I agree with Tyler; goofy stuff like this wallowing in how The Man (however you choose to name or describe him) is behind all our woes and bent on some Orwellian world pretty well puts PO.com and our main topic in the category of the many other fruitcake sites whose main goal is the same as a soap opera with a new shock every 7.75 seconds.

Crap, why not look up one of those sites out there where you folks can talk about stuff like this - or is PO.com now Armageddon Central?

Or is it simply that you do not have the belly to quit your keyboard and prepare for PO and so the best you can do is to lay the blame on some hidden conspiracy?


Cripes, it seems this site is becoming more irrelevant each day with every new sidebar about all the various ways the world is about to end and how there is nothing we can do because someone else has all the power.

Jeez!!!