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THE Walmart Thread pt 2 (merged)

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Unread postby pup55 » Thu 04 Nov 2004, 13:40:36

Q-inf, as a reminder, is the "total quantity of oil available for pumping for all time", or in other words, the amount of oil pumped in the past, plus the amount of oil available to be pumped in the future. Q-inf for one country might not have anything to do with Q-inf for another, since they come from different holes in the ground.

But, more to your point, we are interested in two main things: a prediction of the peak date, if possible, and also, some idea of the slope of the decline curve. If you know that second bit, you can figure out how much trouble we are in, and how fast the slide will be.

I agree that in the case of the second part, the shape of the decline curve, it should be possible to deduce this from the experience of countries like the US who are already partway if not all the way downhill.

There is probably some variability, because of geological differences in these areas, and how frantically the locals are pumping the oil when they get to the end, but like what some of the other posters are saying, these might wash out if you make the sample large enough.

I will have a look at this.
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Walmart on a Budget

Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 10:25:06

I got this off another forum.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')fter nearly two weeks and three try's in one week to shop in Wal Mart with a complimentry handicapped battery operated cart I approached a supervisor about my dilema. The reason being the same three carts had been charted with DO NOT OPERATE, OUT OF WORK!!! And believe me these carts refused to work. The kind and generous greeters were beside themselves trying to accomodate many of us who need these carts to shop.

The kind and gentle supervisor informed me that they, WAl MART had been told by management to CUT BACK ON EXPENSES..........It is apparent this means the dam carts will not be fixed because it is an expense to WAL MART to fix them. I guess there is no consideration to the handicapped whether it is me or the next person who arrives to shop at WAL MART. Do they not realize we spend our money just as much and as well as those who can walk the floors?

So this morning at 5:30 AM I went to WAL MART and believe it or not, I had to wait for a cart. A gentleman was using the only ONE in the whole dam SUPER WAL MART. I spent $77.70 in one trip in a battery operated cart. Now, my money is as good as those who can walk the floors because that cashier surely took my check. There was no freeby for me even though I had returned home three times in a week.

Just think if they had provided me with a dam cart the first time I went, my list was not very long, but the 4th time around, the list was huge. SMART MANAGEMENT those folks at Wal Mart, while they are cutting back, we handicapped folks are spending more!


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Unread postby pup55 » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 10:41:56

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', ' I went, my list was not very long, but the 4th time around, the list was huge')

Why'd she keep going back?
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Unread postby BiGG » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 11:20:24

What kind of ignorant crap is that? This person can’t figure out it’s a courtesy and not Wal-Mart’s responsibility to provide them with an electric cart? If they don’t like it they are free to bring their own eclectic cart or a wheelchair.
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Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 11:27:50

pup55 wrote
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'W')hy'd she keep going back?


Small town pop 44,000 2 supermarkets.
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Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 11:31:10

What caught my eye is the fact that Wal Mart has instructed it's management to cut back on the budget.
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Unread postby gnm » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 12:22:58

well at the local super mall wart here there seem to be plenty of electric carts buzzing around. Many with 400lb 30 year olds who could probably use the walking!

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Unread postby Tyler_JC » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 13:52:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BiGG', 'W')hat kind of ignorant crap is that? This person can’t figure out it’s a courtesy and not Wal-Mart’s responsibility to provide them with an electric cart? If they don’t like it they are free to bring their own eclectic cart or a wheelchair.


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8O Right this down people, I'm agreeing with BiGG

Why should Wal*Mart have to provide electric carts if it means having to raise prices?

If fixing the carts costs 1000 dollars and the benefit of having the carts is less than that, fixing the carts is bad business.

The only social responsibility of a corporation is to provide a profit to its shareholders (owners) and obey all laws that apply to that corporation's business.

Does anyone disagree with the above statement?

And if so, have you ever tried running a business? (other than into the ground)
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Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 14:00:24

OK an oppossing view why would Wal Mart provide them in the first place. If they never would of offered them these people would not have come to depend on the scooters.

The point is from my understanding Wal Mart giveth and Wal Mart Taketh away. :lol:
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Unread postby pup55 » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 14:26:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'w')hy would Wal Mart provide them in the first place


Mainly to give "regular" customers the idea that they are a socially responsible company. This can be done without having the carts actually function. They are there for the same reason as the greeter. Economically, it is questionable as to whether or not the carts pay for themselves by bringing more people into the store.

Also, the appearance of having electric scooters might get them around some of the provisions of the "Americans With Disabilities Act" which was put in a few years ago for all public facilities, to make them "accessible". If it is cheaper to provide a non-functional scooter rather than to make some modifications to their store, then that's why they did it.
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Unread postby pup55 » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 15:04:39

Here it is:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_code('', '2.2* Equivalent Facilitation. Departures
from particular technical and scoping requirements
of this guideline by the use of other
designs and technologies are permitted where
the alternative designs and technologies used
will provide substantially equivalent or
greater access to and usability of the facility')

ADA

So, the Walmart lawyers might look at the law and say to themselves "Well, most of our stuff is "accessible", but you can make the legal argument that by making this store so damn huge that it cannot be accessed "reasonably" by someone with disabilities, we are "exposed".

"Also, by providing these electric scooters, we avoid the problem of people in regular wheelchairs trying to struggle around this huge place with a cartload of stuff, and blocking the aisles so as to create a potential evacuation hazard in case there is a fire or tornado or something."

"So, it avoids a lot of potential problems if we just bite the bullet and provide a couple of free scooters in every store so as to be in compliance, and we are allowed to do so by the law, so let's go for it."

So, to further continue what is, I think, your original point, yes, the Walmart is being irresponsible, and also possibly subject to getting sued, by not having these carts in working order, and it is probably just laziness and lack of compliance on the part of the store manager that is causing this.

If this guy (or woman) is under so much pressure to cut costs that they do not do this maintenance to potentially avoid being sued, then chances are this is just the tip of the iceberg, and there are a lot of other things going on in this store that are even worse.

Pretty pathetic.

That still does not explain why the lady just doesn't go to the other store.
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Unread postby UncoveringTruths » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 15:12:02

pup55

Thanks,

I'll pass it along to the disgruntled Wal Mart customer. [smilie=5moped.gif]
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Unread postby jaws » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 16:16:24

Of course Walmart is feeling the pinch. Their whole operation runs on the number 2 canary, transcontinental trucking. There is no way to make trucking more efficient. If trucking costs go up, they have to raise prices and we all know that Walmart hates to raise prices (hence why they exported all their suppliers to China).
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Unread postby MicroHydro » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 17:20:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'w')ell at the local super mall wart here there seem to be plenty of electric carts buzzing around. Many with 400lb 30 year olds who could probably use the walking!

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Sad but true. Many of the electric cart users of 2005 suffer from no injury or illness other than extreme obesity. Nothing like cheap oil creating cheap food and TV ads to convince people to consume it. Plus the lack of excercise from using the car to go everywhere doesn't help either. Peak oil will take care of that. Food shortages and fuel shortages might actually help some of these people.
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Unread postby Golgo13 » Thu 30 Jun 2005, 17:38:52

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('UncoveringTruths', 'W')hat caught my eye is the fact that Wal Mart has instructed it's management to cut back on the budget.


Yep. It's the reason I lost my job at a new location they built recently because they were really grasping at straws for reasons to get rid of me and it was pretty transparent that they were canning employees and didn't want to admit it. I was also due for a raise as per company policy in a few days since I was coming up on 90 days of employment.

Ever since then they've been shifting workloads onto a smaller employee base. A friend of mine started off as a cashier and now they have him as cashier, doing carry-outs, and stocking batteries/candy/sodas in the soda machines.

The guy that used to stock sodas got canned (he was coming up on 90 days and due for a raise as well) so they just shifted the workload onto my friend, and since he's such a good workhorse and has somehow been able to get all the stuff done, they're probably going to keep him around since he's doing the work of 5 people.

Home Office also has a rule that every Wal-Mart store, every year after opening, has to reduce payroll by 1/7'th of a percent every year. While they don't tell the store managers to fire those due for raises or their higher paid employees, it puts pressure on them to do just that.

And as far as those electric carts go, each one of them costs the company $6,000 and Wal-Mart tries to cut costs at every corner.

An interesting bit of information I couldn't help but extrapolate into the future:

When I was hired and they called our group in for orientation, they showed us their anti-union propaganda films and encouraged people to buy stock instead of paying union dues (Wal-Marts that get unionized tend to shut down pretty quickly). They were playing the tape on one of those VCR/TV combo things. As soon as the tape hit the end, it stopped and rewound the tape. as the tape stopped, the TV automatically switched back to it's line-in cable signal and it was this program they have on called "Wal-Mart TV" in which company spokesmen were talking about company performance.

It was on long enough and at just the right time for me to catch a blurb about one of the analysts stating that the company was doing ok but that their stock had come down mainly due to high oil price which they could not control, but all in all things were going stable.

Every week I worked there the stock price just kept dropping and dropping.

You take that to it's logical end (high price of oil hurts Wal-Mart, and it should since they are the largest users of trucking in the world), and it's pretty obvious what's going to happen to them as the price keeps going north.
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Re: Wal Mart on a Budget

Unread postby pup55 » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 07:50:40

Update on this thread from a long time ago:

Yahoo News

This happened at Kmart rather than walmart, but is along the lines of the earlier post: These stores by law must make "reasonable accomodation".
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Re: Wal Mart on a Budget

Unread postby Falconoffury » Tue 14 Mar 2006, 12:40:58

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his happened at Kmart rather than walmart, but is along the lines of the earlier post: These stores by law must make "reasonable accomodation".


I hate seeing laws with duplicitous wording. The laws should be very clear about the number of operational power chairs that must be in the store. If the number of chairs falls below that number for a certain amount of time, they should be fined. The laws could make nice round numbers such as requiring stores to have at least 3 power chairs operational. If a period of 72 hours passes during which the number falls below 3, then a fine is issued. There would be no room for interpretation.
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Re: Peak-Mart

Unread postby seahorse2 » Mon 12 Nov 2007, 12:40:03

Pup,

Does this peak Wal-Mart in 2006 still stand?
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Re: Peak-Mart

Unread postby pup55 » Fri 16 Nov 2007, 19:23:02

It's looking bad for the theory, good for WMT.

Maybe there will be a slight delay becuse of intertia, kind of like the Lotka-Volterra model.

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Unfortunately, the old link I had to the lotka-volterra model is dead. Here is a new one. Click on "lotka-volterra predator prey" and look at the graph for an example of this.
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Re: Peak-Mart

Unread postby JohnDenver » Wed 06 Feb 2008, 05:10:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('seahorse2', 'P')up,

Does this peak Wal-Mart in 2006 still stand?


Nope. The theory crashed and burned. It was nothing but wishful thinking, with a thin veneer of pseudo-science.

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