[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I') trust Brzezinki's statements over yours, Carlhole.

June 13, 1997, in a CNN/National Security Archive interview, Brzezinski detailed the strategy taken by the Carter administration against the Soviets:

[Plantagenet]

So Brzezkinski can't keep his facts straight in interviews a year apart. So what is else is new.

Brzezkinski deserves credit for convincing the feckless Carter to send aid to the Mujahdeen to bleed the Soviets. Huzzah for Brezenski.

The Soviets were defeated and kicked out Afghanistan after Reagan greatly increased to level of aid as apart of the Reagan doctrine to push back the Soviets in Afghanistan, Angola, etc. Two Huzzahs!

The Soviet empire in Europe collapsed during the end of the Reagan and beginning of the Bush41 adinistrations. Three Huzzahs!!!

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'S')o Brzezkinski can't keep his facts straight in interviews a year apart. So what is else is new.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '
')He takes credit for engineering the plan that allowed CIA covert operations to de-stabilize the Soviet-installed Kabul regime.

[Plantagenet]

Ahmad Shah Massoud, the Lion of Panjshir

[Carlhole]

This is what happened:

Soviet war in Afghanistan

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Wiki', '[')b]Initiation of the insurgency
In June of 1975, militants from the Jamiat Islami party attempted to overthrow the Daoud government. They started the rebellion in the Panjshir valley, some 100 kilometers north of Kabul, and in a number of other provinces of the country. However, government forces easily defeated the insurgency and a sizable portion of the insurgents sought refuge in Pakistan where they enjoyed the support of Zulfikar Ali Bhutto's government, that had been alarmed by Daoud's revival of the Pashtunistan issue.[14]

The reaction against the reforms of the Government was violent, and large parts of the country went into open rebellion. The revolt began in October among the Nuristani tribes of the Kunar Valley, and rapidly spread among the other ethnic groups, including the Pashtun majority. The Afghan army was plagued with desertion and low morale and proved completely incapable of subduing the insurgency. By the spring of 1979, 24 of the 28 provinces had suffered outbreaks of violence.[15] The rebellion began to take hold in the cities: in March 1979 in Herat Afghan soldiers led by Ismail Khan mutinied and massacred approximately 200 Soviet civilians advisors. The Afghan Government with and Soviet assistance retaliated by an air campaign that killed an estimated 5000.[3] Despite these drastic measures, by the end of 1980, out of the 90,000 soldiers strong Afghan Army, more than half had either deserted or joined the rebels.[16]

Like many other anti-communist movements at that time, the rebels quickly garnered support from the United States. As stated by the former director of the CIA and current Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates, in his memoirs From the Shadows, the American intelligence services began to aid the rebel factions in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet deployment. On July 3, 1979, US President Jimmy Carter signed an executive order authorizing the CIA to conduct covert propaganda operations against the communist regime.

Carter advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski stated "According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise." Brzezinski himself played a fundamental role in crafting U.S. policy, which, unbeknownst even to the Mujahideen, was part of a larger strategy "to induce a Soviet military intervention." In a 1998 interview with Le Nouvel Observateur, Brzezinski recalled:

[/i]We didn't push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would...That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Soviets into the Afghan trap...The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter. We now have the opportunity of giving to the Soviet Union its Vietnam War.[/i]

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'O')n July 3, 1979, US President Jimmy Carter signed an executive order authorizing the CIA to conduct covert propaganda operations against the communist regime.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'O')n July 3, 1979, US President Jimmy Carter signed an executive order authorizing the CIA to conduct covert propaganda operations against the communist regime.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'O')n July 3, 1979, US President Jimmy Carter signed an executive order authorizing the CIA to conduct covert propaganda operations against the communist regime.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'A')ll you've provided evidence for is an executive order authorizing a covert propaganda campaign. If Zbig Brzezinski and Carter were also involved in "key assassinations", as you claim, then they were breaking U.S. law. Can you provide any documentation at all to support your claims?

[Carlhole]

"The Gates Inheritance: The World That Bob Made" by Roger Morris

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'G')ates' memoir dutifully notes the ensuing stream of bland speculations by the CIA's Soviet analysts about what the Soviets might next do in their tortured relationship with a faltering, needy, yet independent Afghan communist regime. But he spares us the covert actions the CIA carried out, amid a stream of memos Brzezinski and he sent Carter about the Soviet "threat" in South Asia - an intervention kept secret from their hated rival, secretary of state Vance and the rest of government.

[Carlhole]

Was Pelosi aware of CIA's tactics?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('San Francisco Chronicle', 'W')hen the CIA destroyed those prisoner interrogation videotapes, were they also destroying the truth about Sept. 11, 2001? After all, according to the 9/11 Commission report, the basic narrative of what happened on that day - and the nature of the enemy in this war on terror that Bush launched in response to the tragedy - comes from the CIA's account of what those prisoners told their torturers. The commission was never allowed to interview the prisoners, or speak with those who did, and was forced to rely on what the CIA was willing to relay instead.

On the matter of the existence of the tapes, we know the CIA deliberately lied, not only to the 9/11 commission, but to Congress as well. Given that the Bush administration has for six years refused those prisoners any sort of public legal exposure, why should we believe what we've been told about what may turn out to be the most important transformative event in our nation's history? On the basis of what the CIA claimed the tortured prisoners said, President Bush launched a "Global War on Terrorism," (GWOT), an endless war that threatens to bankrupt our society both financially and morally.

How important were those "key witnesses" to the 9/11 Commission report?...

[Plantagenet]

Of course Pelosi was aware. She sits on the intelligence oversight committee and was fully briefed.

Also as Speaker of the House she is third in line to the presidency and receives an additional, even more complete intelligence review then the rest of the oversight committee receives.

There is no sign that Pelosi did not completely concur with the policy.

[Chuckmak]

Again...

Republican = Democrat

The "Good Old Boy/Girl" network knows no political boundaries. This is evidence of this.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chuckmak', 'R')epublican = Democrat

[mattduke]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'C')IA agents who used harsh interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects during the Bush era will not be prosecuted, US President Barack Obama has said.

[Jotapay]

While I think torture is deplorable, I honestly think Obama and Holder (whom I hate) did the right thing here. Some select prosecutions at the very top (former white house counsel, CIA director who authorized the torture) might be warranted, but you cannot engage in a purge of federal agencies based on decisions of past administrations. It would destroy the working environment for hundreds of thousands of people. I do commend the Obama administration for releasing these documents and not dickering with the state secrets excuse.

[Schmuto]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', 'W')hile I think torture is deplorable, I honestly think Obama and Holder (whom I hate) did the right thing here. Some select prosecutions at the very top (former white house counsel, CIA director who authorized the torture) might be warranted, but you cannot engage in a purge of federal agencies based on decisions of past administrations. It would destroy the working environment for hundreds of thousands of people. I do commend the Obama administration for releasing these documents and not dickering with the state secrets excuse.

[Plantagenet]

Obama (and his dupes in the MSM) are pretending that the CIA didn't interrogate people using slaps, food deprivation, water-boarding etc. prior to 9/11.

That isn't true.

[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'T')he message that Bush the 3rd has sent is clear - "you will not be held accountable for your crimes."

That message can only incite further crime.