[Jotapay]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', 'C')urious. Ever meet a President you liked? You know what I mean. Do you or did you approve of the behavior of President of the United States? Or are they all beneath your contempt?

[Plantagenet]

Many presidents are very likable......

Now that we've dealt with that attempt to derail the discussion, can we get back to the issue this topic is addressing, please?

[dinopello]

Plants strikes me as a Hoover man.

[Plantagenet]

Princess Di-no strikes me as a Hoover girl.

Back to the discussion, please.



If the CIA can no longer slap and waterboard terrorists, can Jack Bauer at least stab them in the leg with a fountain pen and then taze them into making blubbering confessions?

As Former CIA Director Hayden noted, Obama's move presupposes that the US will never again need to interrogate a terror suspect during a "ticking bomb" scenario----

[Plantagenet]

Give it up, Pstarr.

Your technique is to make ad hom attacks until you derail the discussion.

[Fishman]

"Do you or did you approve of the behavior of President of the United States? "
If you mean Bush and this issue, YES. Pstarr, you must have lived your life never picking up a history book. The country has ALWAYS done what it must do to survive. The perception of both presidency and yes Congress at the time, was this was the neccessity of the time. It was controlled but not optimal, and incredibly restricted compared to the actions of our ENEMY. War has always required one to approach the brutality of your enemy, the remarkable aspect to me is we did so little to these people. Gotta love that COLD ENSURE and holding their Korans for a few days.

And procecution, what a laugh, the Senate knew this all along, well documented.

[Plantagenet]

Obama's position on "torture" seems to be illogical and hypocritical.

On the one hand, he says the CIA engaged in torture, which is a war crime.

On the other hand he says he won't prosecute the people who committed torture and war crimes.

It appears, when it comes to torture and war crimes, Obama votes "present".

[Schmuto]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jotapay', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Schmuto', 'T')he message that Bush the 3rd has sent is clear - "you will not be held accountable for your crimes."

That message can only incite further crime.

[Plantagenet]

The issue here isn't genocide. Its torture.

Torture is a war crime.

Obama's failure to fire, censure, reprimand, suspend, cut the pay, reduce in grade, or take any action at all against anyone in his administration or the prior administration involved in ordering war crimes or carrying out war crimes (or at least what he considers to be war crimes) is utterly appalling.

[Plantagenet]

The most likely explanation for Obama's failure to act is that he really doesn't consider waterboarding etc. to be torture, and he just says so to placate his left wing.

Otherwise, you have to conclude that Obama is consciously and intentionally protecting and shielding torturers in his administration from even the slightest kinds of sanction, as Schmuto suggests above.

[AgentR]

Here's the rub..

On the low side, we do not prosecute our soldiers, contractors, agents, etc for following the orders that we gave them.

On the high side, we do not prosecute politicians from previous administrations. That water has been poisoned in such a way that any prosecution of Political Party A, by Political Party B will be seen as a blatant partisan exercise in abusive power. Fortunately for the US, we've pulled up short and stopped here; the next step would be simply that whoever wins an election carries out a purge of criminal prosecutions against the people leaving; and that is a VERY bad road to start down. If some Democrat criminals have to await a Democrat president to prosecute them, and Republican for Republican; thats far better than what you get when a Commander in Chief believes he must stay in power, in order to stay alive.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AgentR', 'H')ere's the rub..

On the low side, we do not prosecute our soldiers, contractors, agents, etc for following the orders that we gave them.

On the high side, we do not prosecute politicians from previous administrations. That water has been poisoned in such a way that any prosecution of Political Party A, by Political Party B will be seen as a blatant partisan exercise in abusive power. Fortunately for the US, we've pulled up short and stopped here; the next step would be simply that whoever wins an election carries out a purge of criminal prosecutions against the people leaving; and that is a VERY bad road to start down. If some Democrat criminals have to await a Democrat president to prosecute them, and Republican for Republican; thats far better than what you get when a Commander in Chief believes he must stay in power, in order to stay alive.

[Plantagenet]

UN says Obama is an international criminal

Obama is breaking international law

A UN expert on torture says Obama is breaking international law by not prosecuting torturers in the CIA. Torture of prisoners is a war crime, and Obama is commiting a crime himself by protecting the war criminals in his government.

[bodigami]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'O')bama's position on "torture" seems to be illogical and hypocritical.

On the one hand, he says the CIA engaged in torture, which is a war crime.

On the other hand he says he won't prosecute the people who committed torture and war crimes.

It appears, when it comes to torture and war crimes, Obama votes "present".

[Sixstrings]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')aid off from Wall Street? The CIA wants you — as long as you can pass a lie detector test and show that you are motivated by service to your country rather than your wallet.

The Central Intelligence Agency has been advertising for recruits and will be holding interviews on June 22 at a secret location in New York.

"Economics, finance and business professionals, if the quest for the bottom line is just not enough for you, the Central Intelligence Agency has a mission like no other," one radio advertisement for the agency says.

"Join CIA's directorate of intelligence and be a part of our global mission as an economic or financial analyst. Make a difference in your career and for your nation," it says.

Ron Patrick, a spokesman for recruitment and retention at the CIA, told Reuters Television the agency had received several hundred resumes so far from applicants ranging from people just out of graduate school to laid-off bankers.

"It's going to be a very different use of their skill set than perhaps they've used on Wall Street," Patrick said.

Recruits will have to pass rigorous background and medical checks, as well as a polygraph, or lie-detector test.

Starting salaries range from around $60,000 for a new graduate to $100,000 for somebody with more experience, and top out at $160,000. Generous benefits are included.

Patrick said the agency would welcome worthy applicants from Wall Street, whose reputation has been tarnished by the financial crisis and revelations of lavish lifestyles and multi-million dollar bonuses at banks blamed for the meltdown.

"Typically the people that come to the CIA want to serve the government, they want to serve their countries. It's a different mindset perhaps than serving a company or serving profit as a bottom line," he said.

"As long as they can make that attitude switch from profit being the motivator to serving their country, I think they'll fit in very well with us."
http://www.cnbc.com/id/31441780

[pablonite]

My guess would be the CIA's financials are very complex when you factor in all their black ops and drug trade money, it would be easy to see the demand for banksters to massage the books for 100K a year. I mean, if you did a really good job for them your top secret bonus might be huge! But then you get whacked before you can cash in on it because you know too much. You could also play stupid and be a yes man, never asking too many questions and just doing what your told everyday, pretending to be doing good things for your country and fellow countrymen. Sounds like an exciting career path with plenty of opportunities for adventure!

[bodigami]

the interpol is cooler.