[NEOPO]

Not surprised yet "wow" is all I can get out

[The_Toecutter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')EOPO you are one of the few on this site to be horrified and outraged by this behavior.

[Angry_Chimp]

If you follow up on Ali Mohamed you'll see why his role was very much covered up in the 9/11 commission report.

From Peter Dale Scott:

“The Commission also steps carefully around the embarrassing case of Ali Mohamed, an important al Qaeda agent who (as the Commission was told) "trained most of al Qaeda's top leadership," including "persons who would later carry out the 1993 World Trade Center bombing." [27] There are indications that the 9/11 Report minimized Mohamed's background because Mohamed was almost certainly an out-of-control informant for the FBI. [28]”
It has been widely reported, and never denied, that after Mohamed first came to the United States from Egypt in the early 1980s he was in contact with the CIA and worked with U.S. Army Special Forces. [34] Mohamed trained the 1993 WTC bombers at an Islamist center in Brooklyn, New York, where earlier he had been recruiting and training Arabs for the U.S.-supported Afghan War. The London Independent has reported that he was on the U.S. payroll at the time he was training the Arab Afghans, and that the CIA, reviewing the case five years after the first WTC bombing, concluded in an internal document that the CIA itself was "partly culpable" in the World Trade Center attack. [35] But the 9/11 Report is utterly silent about Mohamed's links to the CIA and FBI.
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/Fi ... 1sep04.htm



Robert Friedman [New Yorker Magazine 3/17/95]

The CIA’s Jihad, by Robert I Friedman - March 1995

<<SNIP>>

In a tiny, cramped storefront at 552 Atlantic Avenue in Boerum Hill, right next to the New York Beauty School and across the street from a Domino’s Pizza, first-generation Arab immigrants sit for hours over cups of strong, dark coffee, fondling their worry beads and engaging in kalam, or ‘idle talk.’

‘They talked against Zionism, blaming American foreign policy,’ says M.T. Mehdi, president of the American-Arab relations Committee. ‘The usual stuff of people who have nothing else to do.’

The Alkifah Refugee Centre, in addition to providing a hangout for the disaffected, distributed pamphlets and videotapes on the rebel war in Afghanistan. On any given day, a visitor to the centre might take martial-arts classes, or sign up for an automatic-weapons training course taught by instructors from the National Rifle Association. The club even had its own T-shirts: A MUSLIM TO A MUSLIM IS A BRICK WALL. But the highlight for the centre’s regulars were the inspirational jihad lecture series, featuring CIA-sponsored speakers.

One week on Atlantic Avenue, it might be a CIA-trained Afghan rebel travelling on a CIA-issued visa; the next, it might be a clean-cut Arabic-speaking Green Beret, who would lecture about the importance of being part of the mujaheddin, or ‘warriors of the Lord.’ The more popular lectures were held upstairs in the roomier Al-Farooq Mosque; such was the case in 1990 when Sheikh Abdel Rahman, travelling on a CIA-supported visa, came to town. The blind Egyptian cleric, with his ferocious rhetoric and impassioned preaching, filled angry, discontented Arab immigrants with a fervour for jihad – holy war. This was exactly what the CIA wanted: to stir up support for the Muslim rebels and topple the Soviet-backed government in Afghanistan.

The sheikh, however, had a somewhat broader agenda.

A former investigative counsel for the Senate Foreign Relatiosn Committee, now a private attorney in Washington, Jack Blum speaks bitterly but fatalistically. ‘After every covert war there is an unintended disposal problem,’ he says, as if he were talking about unexpected land mines and not potential Islamic terrorists living in Brooklyn. ‘We steered and encouraged these people. Then we dropped them. Now we’ve got a disposal problem. When you motivate people to fight for a cause – jihad – the problem is, how do you shut them off?’

The answer for the CIA was, you don’t. And then when the fanatical fervour you’ve whipped up leads to unintended consequences – the assassination of a Jewish militant leader in Manhattan, the bombing of the World Trade Centre, a terror conspiracy to blow up the Holland and Lincoln Tunnels and other Manhattan landmarks – you try to discourage local law enforcement agencies and the FBI from looking into the matter too deeply.

Negative fallout from CIA operations is nothing new; there’s even spook jargon for it: blowback. But the CIA’s secret support and training of Afghan rebels during the past decade has created a blowback of monumental proportions and lasting impact. The CIA has inadvertently managed to do something that America’s enemies have been unable to: give terrorism a foothold in the United States.

http://www.currentviewpoint.com/cgibin/ ... newsid=294

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', ' ')When you motivate people to fight for a cause – jihad – the problem is, how do you shut them off?

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', ' ')When you motivate people to fight for a cause – jihad – the problem is, how do you shut them off?

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', ' ')When you motivate people to fight for a cause – jihad – the problem is, how do you shut them off?

[AlCzervik]

Yup, AC. The FBI was actively working with Emad Salem in 1993 and essentially ran the whole thing. Salem had the audiotapes to prove it.

And as anyone with knowledge of things like Peter Dale Scott deep politics understands, CIA>>>Pakistani ISI>>>Taliban.

[AlCzervik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', ' ')When you motivate people to fight for a cause – jihad – the problem is, how do you shut them off?

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Angry_Chimp', ' ')When you motivate people to fight for a cause – jihad – the problem is, how do you shut them off?

[Plantagenet]

Zbigniew Bzezinski??

Jimmy Carter and Zbigniew Brzezinski did very little to counter the the 1979 USSR invasion of Afghanistan. Bzesinki and Carter's only overt response to the Soviet invasion was to stop the U.S. Olympic team from competing in the 1980 Moscow Olympics. Carter and Brzesinski were too afraid to directly aid the Mujahadeen and refused to send modern US weapons to the Mujahadeen, for fear of antagonizing the Soviets.

It was Reagan who sent U.S. stinger missiles to the Mujahadeen, allowing them to shoot down the Soviet Helicopter gunships and seize control of the countryside and boot the soviets out of Afghanistan.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'Z')bigniew Bzezinski??

Jimmy Carter and Zbigniew Brzezinski did very little to counter the the 1979 USSR invasion of Afghanistan. Bzesinki and Carter's only overt response to the Soviet invasion was to stop the U.S. Olympic team from competing in the 1980 Moscow Olympics. Carter and Brzesinski were too afraid to directly aid the Mujahadeen and refused to send modern US weapons to the Mujahadeen, for fear of antagonizing the Soviets.

It was Reagan who sent U.S. stinger missiles to the Mujahadeen, allowing them to shoot down the Soviet Helicopter gunships and seize control of the countryside and boot the soviets out of Afghanistan.

[Angry_Chimp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', '
')Your premise is that the US motivated the Mujahadeen to the fight in Afghanistan, and now they have turned on us.

But your premise is wrong.

The US never controlled the Mujahadeen and the Mujahadeen never drew their motivation to fight against the USSR invasion of Afghanistan from the US. They were motivated entirely by their religous beliefs.

Your lack of understanding of those historical events and of the importance of Islam to the Mujahadeen shows you are not very perceptive about history or knowledgeable about different cultures.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', ' ')The idea was to get the Soviets into a war on their southern flank and use the Islamic population from all over the ME as fighters, the US supplying arms. It was intended to bleed the Soviets to death. Brzezinski wanted to hand them their "Vietnam". He has said this and defended it and is proud of it..

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', ' ')The idea was to get the Soviets into a war on their southern flank and use the Islamic population from all over the ME as fighters, the US supplying arms. It was intended to bleed the Soviets to death. Brzezinski wanted to hand them their "Vietnam". He has said this and defended it and is proud of it..

[Plantagenet]

Thanks, Carlhole, for your post of the Brzezinski interview. Brzezinksi is a veteran of the "cold war" and sees things through that prism. So do you. But the world was more complex in 1979 then just the USSR versus the USA. You are forgetting there was a third party to the war in Afghanistan.....the Afghani resistance fighters and the foreign Islamic mujahadeen.

Its too simplistic to see the war in Afghanistan as only part of the "cold war" between the US and USSR...it was also a jihad by Islamic Mujahadeen fighters against a secular government in Kabul.

The Soviets didn't send their own troops into Afghanistan because the US was covertly aiding the Mujahadeen against their puppets in Kabul. US aid was very minimal and was having no effect on the war in 1979...your own post shows that aid had been going on for only six months. The US aid was just the cover story the Communists put out to justify their invasion, knowing well that reflexive anti-Americans would parrot their claim then, just as they are still doing now, and accept it as a justification for the soviet invasion.

In actuality the Soviets invaded BECAUSE THEIR PUPPETS IN KABUL WERE LOSING to the Islamic Mujahadeen.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', ' ')In actuality the Soviets invaded BECAUSE THEIR PUPPETS IN KABUL WERE LOSING to the Islamic Mujahadeen.

[Plantagenet]

I trust Brzezinki's statements over yours, Carlhole.

June 13, 1997, in a CNN/National Security Archive interview, Brzezinski detailed the strategy taken by the Carter administration against the Soviets:

"We immediately launched a twofold process when we heard that the Soviets had entered Afghanistan. The first involved direct reactions and sanctions focused on the Soviet Union, and both the State Department and the National Security Council prepared long lists of sanctions to be adopted, of steps to be taken to increase the international costs to the Soviet Union of their actions. And the second course of action led to my going to Pakistan a month or so after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, for the purpose of coordinating with the Pakistanis a joint response, the purpose of which would be to make the Soviets bleed for as much and as long as is possible; and we engaged in that effort in a collaborative sense with the Saudis, the Egyptians, the British, the Chinese, and we started providing weapons to the Mujaheddin, from various sources again—for example, some Soviet arms from the Egyptians and the Chinese. We even got Soviet arms from the Czechoslovak communist government, since it was obviously susceptible to material incentives; and at some point we started buying arms for the Mujaheddin from the Soviet army in Afghanistan, because that army was increasingly corrupt. "

Brzesinski wanted to "bleed" the Soviets after they invaded Afghanistan, and arranged to have the Pakistanis supply the insurgents with soviet armaments. It wasn't until Reagan took office that the "Reagan doctrine" made it US policy to defeat the Soviets and drive them out of Afghanistan and elsewhere in a move to roll back and destroy the Soviet Empire. Under Reagan the US directly aided the Mujahadeen and supplied them with U.S. weapons including Stingers that smashed the Russian Helicopter gunships and disrupted their tactics. This allowed the Mujahadeen to defeat the Soviets. The defeats crippled the Soviets. In a few more years the Russians were pushed out of eastern Europe.