[RonMN]

Quote:
I do suffer when the cost of American medical care goes up as a result of reckless behavior.

Again, if you want to smoke, have fun. I just don't believe I should be forced me to pick up the tab.

So can we deny diabeties drugs to fat people?

Can we deny HIV medication to those with risky sexual behavior? or deny brain tumor operations to those who use cell phones?

Hey, I'm just asking that it all be equal.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '[')b]Quote:
I do suffer when the cost of American medical care goes up as a result of reckless behavior.

Again, if you want to smoke, have fun. I just don't believe I should be forced me to pick up the tab.

So can we deny diabeties drugs to fat people?

Can we deny HIV medication to those with risky sexual behavior? or deny brain tumor operations to those who use cell phones?

Hey, I'm just asking that it all be equal.

[RonMN]

No offense intended Tyler, but pfffft on #3.

The jury is still out cuz the big boys are making massive $ on cell phones.

There is absolutely overwhelming circumstantial evidence. Granted, circumstantial, but it truely is overwhelming.

[PenultimateManStanding]

This is from the LATOC article linked on page 2 of this thread:
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'R')F/microwaves from cell phones and cell tower transmitters also cause micronuclei damage in blood cells. This was reported a decade ago by Drs. Henry Lai and Narendrah Singh, biomedical researchers at the University of Washington in Seattle. Dr. Singh is famous for refining comet assay techniques used to identify DNA damage. Lai and Singh demonstrated in numerous animal studies that mobile phone radiation quickly causes DNA single and double strand breaks at levels well below the current federal "safe" exposure standards.2

[Kingcoal]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('RonMN', '[')b]Quote:
I do suffer when the cost of American medical care goes up as a result of reckless behavior.

Again, if you want to smoke, have fun. I just don't believe I should be forced me to pick up the tab.

So can we deny diabeties drugs to fat people?

Can we deny HIV medication to those with risky sexual behavior? or deny brain tumor operations to those who use cell phones?

Hey, I'm just asking that it all be equal.

[lotrfan55345]

I did the end of last year and during the summer, then I quit 3 weeks ago. I didn't really consider myself a true hardcore addict but I did get cravings which scared me, plus the health effects and all... but wow tobacco is delicious. Camel Infused and various flavored saisha tobacco, don't get me started on how much better hookah smoking is... Oh wow, I want a cigarette. Gross.

Marijuana and Salvia on the other hand...

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', '
')Marijuana and Salvia on the other hand...

[Tyler_JC]

I am absolutely amazed that the Cigarette Smoking/Cancer link is still up for debate.

Cigarette Smoking and Cancer

Is this 2007 or 1947?

Seriously folks.

I understand nicotine is a horrible habit to break but you've got to do it if you care about your long term health.

Also, think about how many PO survival supplies you could buy with the money you're currently wasting on tobacco products...

[lotrfan55345]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', '
')Marijuana and Salvia on the other hand...

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', '
')I have tried salvia, but not the extracts, just the normal leaves... all I have access to at the moment - the smoke is very harsh so I can't hold a hit more than 20 seconds or so, I take about 4-5 for some moderate effects like uncontrollable laughter and such, but I didn't get transported into a different universe, not much insight or good after-effects have been gained. If I ever get my hands on extract, that will be a trip.

[PenultimateManStanding]

I imagine that some of you are wondering how I could be encouraging this kid to experiment with such mind altering substances. I sent him a PM a couple years ago telling him that it was dangerous what he was doing and that he shouldn't. I told my oldest daughter how hard I crashed after using cocaine for a week once. She told me later that she never used it because of what I told her. But such advice didn't work on lortfan. He's reckless like I was at his age. He may crash and burn for all I know. But the fear of nicotine addiction is a good sign. Just a word, lortfan, if you ever do get some salvia divinorum 5x extract, you won't be laughing.

[lotrfan55345]

I don't intend on trying cocaine, amphetamines, heroin (& other opioids), benzodiazepines and others on a case-by-case basis for recreational use.
I made a 'bad drugs' list.

I feel that my drug use is 'responsible'; though many people would argue me on that ad infinitum (and have), but compared to other kids at least, I would say so.

I think I could probably buy 5x extract since many of my friends look 18, the age in which most head shops say you have to be (but not really enforced) to buy salvia. My main issue is finding a qualified trip sitter, salvia will probably be my first real entheogenic experience - I need someone who's done that numerous times and I need to have a friendship with them, etc etc.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', '
')Marijuana and Salvia on the other hand...

[vision-master]

[align=center]Whiskey bottles, and brand new cars
Oak tree youre in my way
Theres too much coke and too much smoke
Look whats going on inside you
Ooooh that smell
Cant you smell that smell
Ooooh that smell
The smell of death surrounds you

Angel of darkness is upon you
Stuck a needle in your arm
So take another toke, have a blow for your nose
One more drink fool, will drown you
Ooooh that smell
Cant you smell that smell
Ooooh that smell
The smell of death surrounds you

Now they call you prince charming
Cant speak a word when youre full of ludes
Say youll be all right come tomorrow
But tomorrow might not be here for you
Ooooh that smell
Cant you smell that smell
Ooooh that smell
The smell of death surrounds you

Hey, youre a fool you
Stick them needles in your arm
I know I been there before

One little problem that confronts you
Got a monkey on your back
Just one more fix, lord might do the trick
One hell of a price for you to get your kicks
Ooooh that smell
Cant you smell that smell
Ooooh that smell
The smell of death surrounds you
Ooooh that smell
Cant you smell that smell
Ooooh that smell
The smell of death surrounds you[/align]

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'I') don't intend on trying cocaine, amphetamines, heroin (& other opioids), benzodiazepines and others on a case-by-case basis for recreational use.
I made a 'bad drugs' list.

I feel that my drug use is 'responsible'; though many people would argue me on that ad infinitum (and have), but compared to other kids at least, I would say so.

I think I could probably buy 5x extract since many of my friends look 18, the age in which most head shops say you have to be (but not really enforced) to buy salvia. My main issue is finding a qualified trip sitter, salvia will probably be my first real entheogenic experience - I need someone who's done that numerous times and I need to have a friendship with them, etc etc.

[RonMN]

Tyler, you'll get no argument from me that there is a link between cancer & tobacco...

However, cancer was described in medical text around 1600 BC and tobacco was introduced to the "world" when Columbus got tobacco from the indians in 1492...a 3,000 year gap.

The nazzis that be would have us believe that if there was no smoking, there would be no cancer. Simply untrue.

When doing these "studies" where 400 quadrillion people die of 2nd hand smoke each hour I'd like to know how they eliminated all other air-born pollutants from the equation & came to the conclusion that it was ALL due to 2nd hand smoke(?)

Doesn't it seem that sitting in rush hour traffic would be far worse to your health?

[vision-master]

My Grandfather worked in the iron ore mines back in it's day ( no breathing protection either). He died in the mid 60's at 78 years old. Smoked (7) - SEVEN packs of camels straights a day.

[RonMN]

George Burns lived to 100...& he smoked cigars every day.

Just think...if he didn't smoke, he might have made it to 101

[lotrfan55345]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('vision-master', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('lotrfan55345', 'I') don't intend on trying cocaine, amphetamines, heroin (& other opioids), benzodiazepines and others on a case-by-case basis for recreational use.
I made a 'bad drugs' list.

I feel that my drug use is 'responsible'; though many people would argue me on that ad infinitum (and have), but compared to other kids at least, I would say so.

I think I could probably buy 5x extract since many of my friends look 18, the age in which most head shops say you have to be (but not really enforced) to buy salvia. My main issue is finding a qualified trip sitter, salvia will probably be my first real entheogenic experience - I need someone who's done that numerous times and I need to have a friendship with them, etc etc.

[vision-master]

That is not correct.

My doctor calls it feel good candy. Low dosages a few times a week - no problem.

Well then again,,,,,,,,,,,,if you need between 3 to 6 pills a day to get by on for a couple of Months, you might as well be drinking the hard stuff. Rebound effect!

Now Xanax, stay away from that nasty stuff.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')tivan (lorazepam). The fastest-acting of the bunch, and for even faster response you can put a tablet under your tongue. Ativan has practically no additional reported side effects, other than the usual temporary stuff you get from any medication (e.g. headaches, dizziness, tummy troubles). Just some liver and kidney problems, agitation and skin problems. That's it. Nothing freaky. Sorry. Plus of all the benzos it's the least likely to be abused and the easiest to discontinue. Dosage: For anxiety 2-3 mg a day, divided over two or three doses. For insomnia 2-4 mg taken at bedtime. The usual maintenance dosage is 2-6 mg a day, although it can vary from 1-10 mg a day, taken between two and four times a day. Ativan has a half-life of 16 hours. Wyeth-Ayerst.