[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheTurtle', 'W')ell, I've been to China recently and I can verify, as gnm as suggested, that all we have done is push our poisonous processes to the other side of the globe.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'Y')ou really are tedious.... I made a simple statement that environmental laws in the US served to push a lot of industrial pollution and environmental destruction out of the US into the third world and you felt some overwhelming need to argue against that.

[gnm]

The growth in industry required by the continued growth in the US economy since the 60's say...Its required pollution and destruction got moved to China, Mexico et al... And even so pollution and environmental destruction has continued here.

I stand by my point.

Your fanatic defense of US environmental laws makes me believe that you are personally invested in believing that great gains were accomplished. If you need to think that then fine. But I have seen first hand (since the passing of all those) continued destruction and pollution just in my region resulting in areas where I once backpacked, fished etc being destroyed and polluted. And it continues to this day.

Oh and I would appreciate it if you would stop calling me ignorant. You are not qualified to asses that. If you want you could maybe use "biased" instead.

Personally I think your opinions are biased...


-G

[gnm]

Oh and before you start rattling off about how you didn't call me ignorant... Lets use basic logic ok?

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', ' ')So yes the laws accomplished precious little.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'Y')our fanatic defense of US environmental laws makes me believe that you are personally invested in believing that great gains were accomplished.

[gnm]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'I') happen to know for a fact that there were great gains. I've been on the front lines for over 37 years.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', '
')My what a pompous statement that is... Oh dear me I've been JUDGED and found LACKING by the great Monte!

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'W')ell if you insist on calling a net loss (which I note you have not refuted) a great gain then thats your business. Look more to me like what really happened was the big toxic pile of industrial pollution was merely moved to the other side of the fence so to speak.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', ' ')Well if you insist on calling a net loss (which I note you have not refuted) a great gain then thats your business. Look more to me like what really happened was the big toxic pile of industrial pollution was merely moved to the other side of the fence so to speak.

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'I') have seen first hand (since the passing of all those) continued destruction and pollution just in my region resulting in areas where I once backpacked, fished etc being destroyed and polluted. And it continues to this day.

[MonteQuest]

The Clean Water Act "gains" have been the significant reduction of “point source" pollution and the elimination of the discharge of untreated waste water from municipal and industrial sources. 60 % of American lakes, rivers, and shoreline are now considered fishable/swimable.

I do know how bad it would have been otherwise. We sure as hell didn't ship our shit overseas.

Clean Water Act

"Ignorant" was quite apropos.

Try doing some homework before you go spouting off about subjects you know nothing about.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'W')e sure as hell didn't ship our shit overseas.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'W')e sure as hell didn't ship our shit overseas.

[dinopello]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'W')e sure as hell didn't ship our shit overseas.

[gnm]

Seldom, I hiked those areas 25 years ago.. really sad to see whats become of it.

Kind of like when I was telling my son about the beaver ponds where I went camping 15 years ago around here... When he asked if we could go there I had to tell him "we can't, its all gone..." - yes even the trees... But I suppose those are gains.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'T')he Clean Water Act "gains" have been the significant reduction of “point source" pollution and the elimination of the discharge of untreated waste water from municipal and industrial sources. 60 % of American lakes, rivers, and shoreline are now considered fishable/swimable.

[azreal60]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou really are a piece of work Monte, Whats the matter, no one allowed to disagree with you? I'm not ignorant. As I said before I just think that most of our industrial pollution (I never said anything about sewage treatment) got shipped out of the US.

[gnm]

True enough Azreal... I suppose I resorted to taunts because of the annoying haughtiness of his posts. That level of arrogance I find really irritating.

While small "gains" might have been made in some areas in the US on the whole things have gone downhill. I've seen it first hand. And yeah I know the air is slightly better in LA than it was when I was there in the 70's. But I'm not going to tout the wonderful gains because of that. If he doesn't like that too damn bad. We'll just have to agree to disagree. But I'm not going to sit here and be labeled ignorant and uninformed because of that. I just happen to look at it differently I guess. And apparently I'm not the only one.

I'm done with this thread.

-G

[PenultimateManStanding]

MonteQuest is an arrogant prick, but he's right. That's what we need to know. And it is so sad.

[gnm]

I don't want to talk to you no more, you empty headed animal food trough wiper. I fart in your general direction. Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries.



Now go away or I shall taunt you a second time!


-G

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('gnm', 'I') fart in your general direction.