[Hawkcreek]

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[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('highlander', 'M')onte:
There are instances in the past of overshoot in human populations where the result was mass migration.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', 'A')ll I'm saying is that there may be forms of society and forms of food production that are sustainable for a population of 6.5 billion.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Hawkcreek', ' ')More opinion given as an absolute truth. And I have never said that we could continue to double in population. That would be acting like bacteria.

[MonteQuest]

And you notice that people are railing against the notion that there are limits or that we must accept a die-off.

They rail against the idea that someone even mentions it.

They rail against what they perceive as my opinions.

I am not offering my opinion, I am offering solid science.

Those not ignorant of basic biology know what I mean.

I am data driven and I believe in the science behind the studies I cite to support what I write.

Show me how Catton is so wrong. So me why science is so wrong.

Refute the science, don't use the "stupid doomer" card and attacks at me.

I'm just the messenger.

Attack the message.

[holmes]

The truly horrifying part also is that they rant against "death and destruction" while residing in the biggest ponzi scam death cult known in the history of mankind. A largest suicide cult. Members number in the billions. That is horrifying that it isnt even known that this death cult system is responsible for so much death. The connections are not know. It is really murder by proxi. Out of site out of mind i suppose. But to maintain status quo and continue this charade they will wipe out far more "life" than these so called "doomers". However we are in orwell world now. life is death. death is life. o how deep we are in....sigh
well we did say the ponzi death cult will be defended to the bitter end did we not...even by the unexpected....

[holmes]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', 'A')ll I'm saying is that there may be forms of society and forms of food production that are sustainable for a population of 6.5 billion.

[Pops]

Have there been any new ideas for steps to take for the last 5 pages?

No

Same ole same old.

Guess I will quit looking at this thread too; just another: I said, you said, nobody does crap but talk, thread.

Good luck talking folks.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', ' ')Guess I will quit looking at this thread too; just another: I said, you said, nobody does crap but talk, thread.

[holmes]

power down. The solution. it covers all of the bases.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '
')Same ole same old.

[Pops]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')hey both amount to the same thing.

[TonyPrep]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', 'S')how me any other form of agriculture other than totalitarian that could produce the food to support 6.7 billion people an counting.

[PrairieMule]

I'm 50/50 on all the doom scenarios. As in 50% chance maybe we have no hope or 50% everything will shake out. I can play from either side of the deck.

That being said, a week ago I got to test drive a 2008 BMW 650i coupe at work. Granted if I had the 80k plus tax to drop I'd spend it on land instead.

Holy crap it was fun!

"Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth and danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;

Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth of sun-split clouds-
and done a hundred things you have not dreamed of-
wheeled and soared and swung high in the sunlit silence.

Hov'ring there, I've chased the shouting wind along,
and flung my eager craft through footless halls of air.

Up, up the long delirious, burning blue I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace,
where never lark, or even eagle flew.

And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod the high untresspassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand,
and touched the face of God



So maybe the lights will go off or maybe not. Make preparations but for the love of Mike, if heaven drops a plum-open your mouth. Go get some sunshine and enjoy our technology while it's still here.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pops', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')hey both amount to the same thing.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TonyPrep', ' ')I know you base that on studies but there is no proof that bio-intensive methods could never sustain the current population.

[HEADER_RACK]

I hate to jump in the middle of a discussion,but something struck me as being odd in what tony prep said. That there is enough arable land to feed the current population.
Wouldn't it matter more that there is enough arable land where it needs to be to support the current population levels? Having plenty of land in Brazil and not enough in China doesn't do the chinese much good.
New York City has a population density of 26,720 per sq mile. To me thats WAY out of WHACK for sustainablity without fossil fuels. There just isn't enough arable land around them to support their population levels.

[MonteQuest]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HEADER_RACK', 'I') hate to jump in the middle of a discussion,but something struck me as being odd in what tony prep said. That there is enough arable land to feed the current population.
Wouldn't it matter more that there is enough arable land where it needs to be to support the current population levels?

[firestarter]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '
')
And die-off means the death rate will exceed the birth rate.

[HEADER_RACK]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MonteQuest', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('HEADER_RACK', 'I') hate to jump in the middle of a discussion,but something struck me as being odd in what tony prep said. That there is enough arable land to feed the current population.
Wouldn't it matter more that there is enough arable land where it needs to be to support the current population levels?