[clueless]

Heading down there tomorrow - I have family in Applegate and Medford. I actualy lived in Applegate on a 10 acre spread before becoming aware of PO - Too far from the city for me now and I expect proeprty values to crash in the next two years in Applegate, my inlaws drive 600 miles a week combined to get to to work in Grants Pass and Medford.

Medford should be a good place over the long haul but a little dry, a little short of arable land and a little close to CA for me though.

[TheDude]

Newberg.

Greetings and salutations, Other Chimp Who Can Drive! Your posts at LATOC make it worth going there, despite the forum's gray background. Got enough flat gray surfaces to look at right here in Orygun.

Was Ruppert holed up near you, before he fled the country?

[clueless]

Newberg is south of Portland ???

Where is ole Ruppert these days ?

[Cobra_Strike]

Hello and welcome. Good to see more people from the Pacific Northwest. (I live in Washington)

[clueless]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'h')ey. I resemble that remark. I live behind the 'Redwood Curtain' in Northern California. You'd be surprised how far that other California is from here.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'N')ewberg is south of Portland ???

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('clueless', 'W')here is ole Ruppert these days ?

[kochevnik]

Dude - you're right around the corner from me - I'm in Forest Grove.

Clueless - I was in Sutherlin last year but decided the same as you - too dry, too isolated for PO. I used to think that holing up in the country was the way to go, but I was wrong. Spent ten years in the Bay Area too - Sunnyvale Millbrae mostly. Liked it, but too expensive and too many people.

I think we'll end up somewhere between Eugene and Salem if I can find something decent.

[Dennis_from_Oregon]

Damn, well let me try and reply. Requery if I ignore you...

Clueless, I gotta be out in Eagle Point all day. Next time you are here lets do lunch. PM me or email me over at LATOC.

Your assesment of Medford is pretty good, but its a carefully chosen location and the best I could do. Know a better place??

I have Applegate bugout bottomland that Im doing some improvements on, I hope you are right about falling prices. Right now retired Californians and vineyardists are pushing the prices to astronomical. I hope to enhance my holdings...



The Dude?? Who said I could drive?? Im glad my posting amuses someone. I seem to be ticking off a bunch of denial freaks lately... Mike lived about 10 miles away. I used to go to most of his functions..

Last I heard he was a regular at Belleview mental hospital in NYC.

[max_power29]

I love applegate. One of my favorite lakes is squaw lake. Have any of you guys ever seen/noticed that off the grid homestead on the way to squaw lake? I thought it was awesome adn was envious of it before I knew anything about peak oil, ever since I was a kid.

I'm originally from grants Pass (My family all lives there) and am now on the Eastern border of Springfield, near the pristine mckenzie river.

I agree with those who said its too dry down there though. its very hot and dry in southern oregon in the summer. (like Las Vegas type heat)

I love reading Dennis's, Leaf's, and Old Horseman's posts over at LATOC. They make it really worth visiting LATOC alone. I just lurk there however.

[savethehumans]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'L')ast I heard he was in Brooklyn.

[Dennis_from_Oregon]

Max Power.. I believe the homestead you refer to is Bob Lara's place. He is a retired Hells Angel and took over the old family place to get away. Good people but kinds paranoid. Dont go lurking around, just knock on the door and introduce yourself...

There is lotsa petrified wood in the creek that goes thru there, and a bank of interesting iron pyrite crystals. It was the minerals that brought me to his door. Other than gold he lets me have what I want. Did you notice the mineshaft just before you get to the place in the roadcut?? Its what brought his family there 4 generations ago..

I usually spend at least a three day weekend there every year. I shuttle to a back camp with my cataraft and row across, easier than a wheelbarrow or backpack..

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Dennis_from_Oregon', 'M')ax Power.. I believe the homestead you refer to is Bob Lara's place. He is a retired Hells Angel and took over the old family place to get away. Good people but kinds paranoid. Dont go lurking around, just knock on the door and introduce yourself...

There is lotsa petrified wood in the creek that goes thru there, and a bank of interesting iron pyrite crystals. It was the minerals that brought me to his door. Other than gold he lets me have what I want. Did you notice the mineshaft just before you get to the place in the roadcut?? Its what brought his family there 4 generations ago..

I usually spend at least a three day weekend there every year. I shuttle to a back camp with my cataraft and row across, easier than a wheelbarrow or backpack..

[ccricers]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m probably on the younger side, aged 24

[Ibon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ccricers', 'S')ome people say there's no hope for our generation because we're too weaned on techno-toys and we are all equally spoiled. Don't know about you guys, but that makes me apprehensive

[JHestand]

Hello everyone. I have been lurking around the forum as a guest for the last few weeks and finally decided to sign up. I have only recently been introduced to the fundamentals of peak-oil theory, and I hope to develop a better understanding of the phenomenon through my experiences here.

I recently visited amazon.com to purchase a few books that focus on the subject, but I was overwhelmed by the volume of books available. To resolve the dillema I purchased a copy of "Beyond Oil: The View From Hubbert's Peak" by Kenneth Deffeyes. I look forward to reading the book when it arrives.

If anyone can suggest additional worthwhile reading material on the subject, I would appreciate it. Specifically, I am looking for information that will help me understand why it is more difficult to extract oil from a particular field after half of the field's oil has already been extracted. Further, I would like to review material that describes why the curve-shaped rate of production in a single oil field can also be used to represent world-wide oil production. Finally, I am interested in reading any material that provides reliable information about the size of Earth's oil reserves (if such "reliable" information exists).

I also want to thank the people who created this forum and keep it operating effectively. Regardless of the accuracy of peak-oil theory, you people have provided a valuable public service by making this information freely available.

[Concerned]

A few points to keep in mind.

1. Oil is finite in human scale. (i.e. taking hundreds of milliions of years to create)

2. Even the optimistic forecasts predict a peak in oil production at 2030-50. It is a given, peak oil is a when not if argument. NOTE: There will always be billions of barrels of oil around.

3. US oil production has peaked, back in 1970-71

4. There are other notable peak oil mentions. Mexico and it's Cantrell field peaked, UK/Norway north sea peaked, Kuwait's Burgan field peaked, Australia peaked, Indonesia peaked, Russia peaked, Saudi Arabia's Gawhar (appears to be plateaued or peaked)

I would suggest reading some of matthew simmons (google the name he's the investment banker) and his presentations.

The only person I would really avoid is Kunstler, he is more rant oriented and is likely to put a newcomer off, however for old timers it can be humorous to read.

I also like Richard Heinberg and his take on energy consumption.

Another great website for introduction is called The Wolf at the Door. If you are a math head The Oil Drum is an excellent source of highly detailed technical analysis on oil depletion.

I would not spend excessive money on books, most of the information is available free of charge.

And as to why the second half of a fields oil is more difficult to extract. First it has to be known that most fields will typically contain greater than 40% of their original reserves, even after it stops producing. As there is simply not enough energy to push the oil (various grades sweet, heavy, sour) through the various rock formations.

The reason the second half of production is harder is very basically something this.

If you have water in a sponge getting the first half of the water out is much easier than the second half. And there will always be water left in the sponge. Thats why we won't ever run out of oil

[Narz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('JHestand', 'I')f anyone can suggest additional worthwhile reading material on the subject, I would appreciate it. Specifically, I am looking for information that will help me understand why it is more difficult to extract oil from a particular field after half of the field's oil has already been extracted. Further, I would like to review material that describes why the curve-shaped rate of production in a single oil field can also be used to represent world-wide oil production. Finally, I am interested in reading any material that provides reliable information about the size of Earth's oil reserves (if such "reliable" information exists).

[DantesPeak]

I noticed a marked increase in visitors to PO.com since May, and trend appears to have accelerated this week with especially heavy traffic on some threads. For example, there were about 900 visitors to the US Weekly Inventory thread in 24 hours from yesterday morning until this morning.

Are other web sites now referring visitors to PO.com, or is it just some firewall in China that temporarily went down?

[PraiseDoom]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', 'I') noticed a marked increase in visitors to PO.com since May, and trend appears to have accelerated this week