[threadbear]

Thanks Shannymara. I started this thread:

http://www.peakoil.com/fortopic29504.html

placed it in the energy forums, as that seemed appropriate, and it was moved to Open Discussion, where people already 'get it'. Some of these narrow angle lens energy types should be reading these articles to expand their understanding. The article is very informative, from the New York Times and directly addresses corruption in the oil industry. More to the point it is a current ongoing issue.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I') had always thought that the US planned to reach a point in Iraq where it could pronounce a fait accompli to the rest of the world and be in a position to negotiate a global energy deal.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'I') had always thought that the US planned to reach a point in Iraq where it could pronounce a fait accompli to the rest of the world and be in a position to negotiate a global energy deal.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'W')ould the US have simply stood by while Saddam Hussein cut deals with China - long-term energy contracts in exchange for advanced weaponry, for example? Not a chance.

[PenultimateManStanding]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'O')nce you discover about Santa Claus, he stops bringing you presents. the wise kids keep their mouth shut and enjoy the loot.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'T')he US will invade, with massive conscripts, Venezuela, Bolivia and all of South America. My guess is that there is or soon will be a secret rebuilding of neutron bombs to eliminate populations while sparing infrastructure.

[Tyler_JC]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dinopello', 'O')nce you discover about Santa Claus, he stops bringing you presents. the wise kids keep their mouth shut and enjoy the loot.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')he fantasy of a US "global energy deal" to take care of Peak Oil never had any basis in reality.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', '.')..It is posts like that which have convinced me that most of these conspiracy theories are bogus.

LIHOP looks a lot like negligence if it can't be proved 100%. Negligence in government is common. Given our lack of real security, I'm actually quite surprised that we don't see more terrorism.

[PenultimateManStanding]

It's an interesting cacophony of opinion we see here. This is why I see chaos coming. The military will try to contain it, but they will explode from the same confusion.

[Plantagenet]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'w')e are back to the way those buildings fell. Very many people simply do not believe that they could fall the way they did without the use of explosives.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', 'w')e are back to the way those buildings fell. Very many people simply do not believe that they could fall the way they did without the use of explosives.

[Plantagenet]

No problemo.

Read the scientific papers of Bazant (MIT), written for recognized peer-reviewed scientific journals.

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/

CHEERS!

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'I')ts unfortunate that so many people are scientifically illiterate and don't understand how physical processes operate.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('PenultimateManStanding', 'I')t's an interesting cacophony of opinion we see here. This is why I see chaos coming. The military will try to contain it, but they will explode from the same confusion.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'N')o problemo.

Read the scientific papers of Bazant (MIT), written for recognized peer-reviewed scientific journals.

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/

CHEERS!

[Plantagenet]

MIT stands for the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.

MIT is a very prestigious university...it's among the very best in the world.

You are quite wrong----MIT is a private university and so is not part of the government.

CHEERS!

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'N')o problemo.

Read the scientific papers of Bazant (MIT), written for recognized peer-reviewed scientific journals.

http://www-math.mit.edu/~bazant/WTC/

CHEERS!

[I_Like_Plants]

Nope there's no way NIST would fall for this kind of foolishness.

As a tronics geek with a great admiration for standards and calibration, NIST is the Mother Church.

[Carlhole]

I guess Plantagenet's mother must have caught him on the computer past his bedtime again.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', ' ') Collapse Of World Trade Center Towers: What Did And Did Not Cause It?

Well, old friend Bazant has just submitted a new paper to the Journal Of Engineering Mechanics purporting to deal with a few of the collapse anomalies. However, we'll have to wait for the translation. You can follow it a little but it's mostly obfuscated with mathematical formulae and not written for laymen's understanding per se. It was written to show that the total gravitational energy contained in each tower was enough to explain all the observed phenomena, obviating the necessity for explosives to explain the near freefall collapses.

The new paper admits that NIST did not conduct a study of the Total Progressive Collapse of the towers. Again, this is strange since these collapses were the first ever in the 100-year history of steel frame buildings. One would think that immense amounts of engineering expertise would be poured into fully understanding how steel-frame structures could have fallen as these buildings did, that this would have been a highly publicized, big media story for a long time.

Apparently, this new Bazant paper resurrects the Pancake Theory somewhat so that it can suggest that air being forced out of the bottoms of the collapsing buildings reached 460 miles per hour - occasionally supersonic speeds - thus creating sonic booms that people thought were explosions!! Sonic booms!!