[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'M')aybe because sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

The entire world is not run by a half dozen people in a bunker like a scene out of "Dr. Strangelove"...

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NoLogos', 'I') *like* PO.com because many many peolpe here are not in denial!

For some reason, I keep trying to educate friends/family about 9/11 or peak oil. However, they'd prefer to keep watching TV. If I insist, and get someone to watch a video or actually read a little out of a book, sometimes they will admit they didn't know something (but only after much protesting). Then they invariably go back to watching the MSM that misled them so badly in the first place.

IMHO, there is something about a TV set that humans aren't equipped to deal with. Put what passes for news on it and 99% of the viewers are doomed to eternal ignorance.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'M')aybe because sometimes a cigar is just a cigar?

The entire world is not run by a half dozen people in a bunker like a scene out of "Dr. Strangelove"...

[threadbear]

So that's it. This does not require belief. The idea is to get to a point where belief is possible. --Carhole--about the anomalies surrounding 911 and the Omission report.


Amen. The idea is to get to a point where belief IS POSSIBLE.

Anyone who is so small in spirit, so bereft of curiosity, so assured that what they "know" to be true is actually true, should bow out of the human race. Because that's what we've entered--a race. Those with the most adaptive minds, able to ferret out the real from the imagined, the substantive from the trivial, will win. At the present time survival is still linked to status,but that won't last long. Survival in the future will rest on the ability to discern.

[Twilight]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'Y')ou understand the politics? Truly? Understanding is dynamic. It's generally being revised, tweaked and added to over time.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'I') think it's interesting how many here have questioned peak oil and become aware yet haven't questioned much else. As if peak oil we're the only thing being kept hidden from the public mind. That there's no agenda with our money system. Our government is only incompetent. The democrats "can" make a difference. There was no conspiracy on 9-11. There is no new world order agenda. That peak oil doesn't tie into a bigger picture.

It's as if some folks couldn't decide between taking the blue pill or the red pill so they just decided to take them both. Either that or peak oil was too much for them to handle and they've become too chickenshit to dig any deeper.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his does not mean that I am accepting what is going on. But then again none of these arguments act as proof one way or the other about 9/11. I agree, a thorough investigation of alot of things is what is needed, and that my friend is precisely why a thorough investigation is the least likely thing to happen.

[TWilliam]

Too bad so many Believers think "The Book" is the only book. Try reading some of the apocryphal writings sometime, or some of the Dead Seas Scrolls, or the Nag Hammadi Codices, or the Essene Writings. Did you know that there are more extensive versions of Revelations that continue beyond John's vision of Armageddon wherein he was shown that the Apocalypse was not cast in stone, but that Mankind could, through his own freewill, create a different future?

This is the one thing about prophecy that Believers don't understand: prophecy is not a statement of what will be; it is a statement of what will be if different choices aren't made. In otherwords it is a warning, not a pronouncement. A prophet wants nothing more than to be wrong...

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'A')nyways, Carl, if you are right then I hope you find the proof you need and see justice done. But, of course you know that anyone trying to keep such a secret would most likely be very willing to simply show up at your home after forcing you ISP to give you up and add you to the list of 9/11 related deaths. If you ever really got close to the truth that is. That is a very reasonable deduction even from your own theories.

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'T')he entire world is not run by a half dozen people in a bunker like a scene out of "Dr. Strangelove".

[steam_cannon]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'S')anta... figured it out myself and didn't want to ruin their fun.

[threadbear]

I just dearly wish that some people had as many convolutions in their cortexes as they do in their "logical" thinking.

[Carlhole]

You know, the whole 'Peak Oil/911 Is An Inside Job' scenario would make a great novel. I sometimes wonder why some upstart Clancy-Clone doesn't put the whole story together in novel format. If done just right, I bet it would make the NY Times bestseller list - or better yet, sell like hotcakes and STILL not make any bestseller lists.

The idea would be to build a credible narrative around the facts and perhaps some of the conjecture of the events of 911 using fictitious elements to fill in the missing/speculative parts in as credible a way as possible. A writer with good background knowledge and good imagination could string together a compelling story.

The author would have to make crucial storyline decisions that may please some but piss others off. Such as, what hit the Pentagon? Would the author choose to have Flight 77 itself actually hit? Or would he use some other plane or missile? Would the author choose to real hijackers or have the flights remotely-controlled?

How would the author handle the actual wiring of the buildings for demolition? I know what I'd do in that case (not that I believe this particular idea): For the sake of the novel, I'd reveal that the towers had been pre-wired during their construction for ease and expediency of demolition later. I'd explain that the architects and engineers as well as government agencies were concerned about how the buildings would be pulled in the event of an emergency such as the foundations becoming weak or insecure in some way. I'd explain that all that had to be done was the connecting of explosives and thermate devices to the existing wiring. WTC7, I would say, had been wired afterwards because access and secrecy was so easy for the perps.

In reality, I don't think this would be necessary pre-condition for the successful planting of explosives, but I would use it in a novel and I offer now simply as an example of how an author would have to invent parts of the story while remaining faithful to known parts.

Of course, the author would have to really work especially hard in developing the whole plotline with regard to the human drama taking place in various parts of the White House and State Department, the military-industrial-government complex - including those dramas taking place in Pakistan, Israel and in Osama Bin Laden's Al-Quaeda, etc. He would have to make assessments as to just how many people would know about the whole plot and who would only know parts of it, who would be completely in the dark but being used, who had been fed some bullshit by superiors, etc.

The novel would have to include the whole geopolitical analysis of Peak Oil and the behind-closed-doors thinking of US oil interests and what took place in Cheney's Energy Task Force. It would have to describe the general expectation of petroleum resource wars and what The Rand Corporation, for example, might have forecasted for the first several decades of the 21st century. It would be a very long novel, I think.

Probably this has occurred to people who could actually write such a beast of a book already. Maybe they have made the calculation that the public story could easily change or break wide open or otherwise ruin their novel's development - and they'd have to re-write it or scrap the project accordingly.

Seems like a series of short stories would work OK, though, and would be a simpler task. For example, instead of writing a whole involved novel, an author could write about specific situations regarding 911, leaving the rest untold.

An author could possibly write a fictitious short story about the CIA handler of Mohammed Atta and what he/she knew, what his/her private thoughts were. What his/her perspctive was on the day of the attacks and all that. Sure would be interesting speculative fiction.

It's way far beyond me though.

[Tyler_JC]

20% of Americans believe that 9/11 was an inside job?

Sure, why not.

74% of Americans believe in angels.

47% believe that God created humanity in its present form 10,000 years ago.

34% believe that Geroge Bush is doing a great job.

Never use public opinion polls from the American People as evidence of truth.

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'N')ever use public opinion polls from the American People as evidence of truth.