[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ElijahJones', 'B')ut then there are plenty of examples where prophecy is in fact a prediction of the future.

[TheDude]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I') saw through the great Santa Claus deception by the time I was 4 years old. One sleigh couldn't hold even all of our gifts, not to mention every kid in the neighbourhood, let alone every kid in town, and so on and so on.

Also, coming down the chimney...problematic in truly icy environs, like Saskatchewan, where people didn't build open hearth fireplaces with large brick chimneys. We had a little stove pipe--much too small for a large man to climb down. I never asked my parents if he was real or not--figured it out myself and didn't want to ruin their fun.

[NoLogos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TheDude', '
')The chump change spent investigating 9/11 was quite pathetic, though. Somehow I think that's all you're going to get from the MIC and its puppets in Washington.

[roccman]

EJ

I think 9-11 being an inside job does matter. Those who know this truth have connected other dots that matter as well...global imperialism and mind control efforts of the global elite.

I tell my kids that they need to question the status quo even if it does mean they will be ridiculed for it.

What you posit is to roll over and die.

Sorry bro. When the time is right we will not roll over and die. The time is not right now. Too many still alive.

It is the second wave that is the most deadly and lady luck may just deal me a sweet hand.

[roccman]

"The meek shall inherit the earth, but right now those without conscience own it."

Agreed.

The lucky too shall inherit the earth.

[Carlhole]

Quite simply, this website deals with matters related to Peak Oil.

Long ago, I took the position, adopted from Michael Ruppert, Barrie Zwicker, Dale Allen Pfeiffer, Richard Heinberg, Michel Chossodovsky, Nafeez Ahmed, David Ray Griffin and others - that 911 was a false flag operation designed to galvanize the public and/or instill fear so that the corporate-controlled US power elite could enter into the first of perhaps many resource wars.

So most of my serious posts relate to energy geopolitics and the growing 911 movement.

I think that the mere knowledge, lodged in the back of a growing number of Americans' minds, that there are serious problems with the Official Conspiracy Theory regarding the events of 911 is enough to catalyze change in a more sane, more democratic direction.

Why shouldn't I be interested in what's happening in the world and what's happening to my country?

[threadbear]

From the Rolling Stone:

The Last Confessions of E. Howard Hunt
He was the ultimate keeper of secrets, lurking in the shadows of American history. He toppled banana republics, planned the Bay of Pigs invasion and led the Watergate break-in. Now he would reveal what he'd always kept hidden: who killed JFK?

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st ... oward_hunt

[Tyler_JC]

Y'all remind me of the ultra left wing liberals who supported Nader in 2000 and yet were pissed off when Bush "stole the election". If they had stuck with Al Gore, they would have been better off but they chose to be purists and left us with W.

Sometimes you have to compromise in order to win, even if victory is not 100%.

Sure, the government's corrupt and heck, they might just possibly have planned 9/11 in order to conquer the world's oil supply as ordered by the reptilian overlords or something like that.

But don't you think that you should pick a more popular and mainstream issue and focus on trying to wake people up to that issue, rather than force them to accept the entire package?

Hear's how you try to convince someone that Peak Oil = TEOTWAWKI

Say:
"Do you agree that oil is a nonrenewable resource?"
"Do you agree that eventually we will run out?"
"Do you agree that at some point, we will reach maximum oil pumping capacity?"
"Do you agree that oil reserves aren't growing (not true, but w/e)?"
"Do you agree that oil prices are going up because we are reaching a mismatch in supply and demand?"

And so on. They end up saying, "yes, yes, yes" and eventually you win your argument. Basically, plan your argument like an attorney plans his cross examination.

You don't start off by screaming that the government is trying to cover up the oil conspiracy and take over the world. You end up looking like a paranoid lunatic. And worse, you lose another potential member for the Peak Oil Movement.

You only shoot yourself in the foot trying to get people to accept the Big Picture all at once. In fact, if you really believe that the world is going to fall apart regardless of what we do, you might as well sit down, shut up, and plant your vegetable garden.

The global awakening to Peak Oil (assuming it is even necessary, we can make the transition without an awakening) is a gradual process. Every person that opens the door to Peak Oil and finds a 9/11 conspiracy theory or an AIDS=HOAX thread will quickly shut the door again.

To make a long story short (too late), if you're crazy, stay crazy in your own little pond and stop polluting the rest of the community knowledge pool.

Much Love,
Tyler_JC

[threadbear]

Actually Tyler, Most people who open the door to peak oil, at this point, have already looked into 911, concluded it's at least LIHOP and are surprised by the intransigence of many of the dominant posters on this forum. If you are striving to capture a certain demographic, you are way off base. To equate the 911 truth movement, with people who believe in reptilian overlords is insulting, and drives people away. You end up having a tee hee hee fest with individuals who lack depth and breadth of understanding

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'S')ure, the government's corrupt and heck, they might just possibly have planned 9/11 in order to conquer the world's oil supply as ordered by the reptilian overlords or something like that.

But don't you think that you should pick a more popular and mainstream issue and focus on trying to wake people up to that issue, rather than force them to accept the entire package?

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Carlhole', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Tyler_JC', 'S')ure, the government's corrupt and heck, they might just possibly have planned 9/11 in order to conquer the world's oil supply as ordered by the reptilian overlords or something like that.

But don't you think that you should pick a more popular and mainstream issue and focus on trying to wake people up to that issue, rather than force them to accept the entire package?

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'A')ctually Tyler, Most people who open the door to peak oil, at this point, have already looked into 911, concluded it's at least LIHOP and are surprised by the intransigence of many of the dominant posters on this forum. If you are striving to capture a certain demographic, you are way off base. To equate the 911 truth movement, with people who believe in reptilian overlords is insulting, and drives people away. You end up having a tee hee hee fest with individuals who lack depth and breadth of understanding

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'I')'ve heard a couple of radio personalities comment that they fully support the idea of peak oil, and support war based on the premise that we "just have to do it, we have no choice".

How do you respond to the potential for this kind of general feeling capturing public mind share?

[Carlhole]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'T')his is a bit off topic, but related. I more or less agree with your understanding, Carhole. It brings up another issue, however, and I've heard this argument. "Well, if depletion rates are really that steep and we're on the brink of catastrophe, isn't war on oil producing nations like Iraq or Iran somehow justified, in terms of survival?"

That's why I've been yanging on on other threads about the depletion curve, not likely being so steep and unmanageable and our lives not so precariously poised that we have to invade foreign lands and steal their resources.

I've heard a couple of radio personalities comment that they fully support the idea of peak oil, and support war based on the premise that we "just have to do it, we have no choice".

How do you respond to the potential for this kind of general feeling capturing public mind share?

[threadbear]

Read his remarks, along with TWilliam MMasters, and others (myself EXcluded), Tyler. You have some of your brightest posters quarantined in this small area, unwelcome on the energy forums. Are you going for the lowest common denominator approach on the Peak Oil forums?

[mercurygirl]

There are some great thinkers and writers hanging around here. I mostly read and enjoy, thanks everyone.

But I will say that for me, the big picture is starting to come into focus a bit. (I'm a little slow.) I remember back in '91 telling family members that it was "about the oil". But I didn't know why.

Fast forward to 9/11. I knew something was really, really, wrong and the official version was not entirely true. I still didn't know why. I started digging (thank God for the interweb!). It took me a long time, but I ended up here and now things are a lot more clear. Painfully so at times.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'R')ead his remarks, along with TWilliam MMasters, and others (myself EXcluded), Tyler. You have some of your brightest posters quarantined in this small area, unwelcome on the energy forums. Are you going for the lowest common denominator approach on the Peak Oil forums?

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'R')ead his remarks, along with TWilliam MMasters, and others (myself EXcluded), Tyler. You have some of your brightest posters quarantined in this small area, unwelcome on the energy forums. Are you going for the lowest common denominator approach on the Peak Oil forums?