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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby Chaparral » Sat 12 May 2007, 18:59:06

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', 'B')ut there are worse ways of dying than with a machinegun in your hands and a curse on your lips. 8)


Yeh, a fella could go like Elvis or one of my neighbors...sittin' on the can grunting and straining :cry:

Most of the PO forumers I've met in person, and the number is climbing, have been highly intelligent successful business people who are proactive, sane, lucid and upbeat about their own lives while being doomerish in general. Its sort of a paradox. Us doomers who are crafting our lifeboats seem to be having fun while doing it. It's a terrific mental and physical challenge and for me, challenges = vitality!
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby Curator » Sat 12 May 2007, 23:58:25

Chaparral, you're so right - it's the most interesting problem there is! Working on this infinitely fun problem is probably the reason I'm NOT bored and depressed.
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby Roy » Sun 13 May 2007, 08:53:30

I don't beleive I'm depressed, although my cornucopian uniformed friends/family think I am because I don't see America's future as a bright happy place completely covered by subdivisions, shopping malls, convenience stores and golf courses where everyone can enjoy an idyllic retirement.

I am actually optimistic about the future of humanity (in much smaller numbers), but I can get down when these people refuse to talk about the future or consider anything less than a perfect outcome.

Because it is they, the unwilling to think ahead group, that will suffer the most; and I'm either related to them or they are long term friends I care about. Thinking of the bad things that will happen to those I love, those who refuse to listen or even consider suboptimal outcomes, is depressing. Imagining them congregating at my door, completely unprepared, demanding my food storage, and threating my survivability is frightening, considering the probable outcomes of such a situation.

Like Mmasters correctly stated above, those of us who like to think about the future, imagine scenarios and probable responses are rare birds.

My problem is I don't know many of these rare birds on a personal level, and this place is really the only place I know of where these scenarios, outcomes, and plans for dealing with said circumstances are discussed.

Which always keeps me comin' back for more.

Proper planning prevents piss poor performance, or something like that.
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby Denny » Sun 13 May 2007, 11:19:59

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Roy', 'I') don't beleive I'm depressed, although my cornucopian uniformed friends/family think I am because I don't see America's future as a bright happy place completely covered by subdivisions, shopping malls, convenience stores and golf courses where everyone can enjoy an idyllic retirement.



I remember four years ago visting a relative in the Phoenix AZ area, and she took us on a visit to a new development bordering a golf course. It looked nice enough, lush green, but totally artificial relative to the terrain around it. I asked one of the salespeople, who was in her early 30's I suppose, how she saw the future water availablity in the Phoenix area going twenty or thrity years ddown the road. (because she was relting how the home was a great long term investment.) She had no answer, and told me I was the only person that had ever asked that kind of question. I told her it was something she should be thinking about for her own future, as she had so many years ahed of her to consider for the future of the properties she owned or sold.

I can't figure how one could live anywhere in the Southwestern U.S. and not think about the future of water supplies. But, I also thought that if I lived in New Orleans, below the river level, I'd plan my own evacuation plan and trigger for it in the event of a hurricane. Looks like I would have been an oddball there too.
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 13 May 2007, 11:55:46

Humans are quickly sterilizing the planet. The obvious solution to this is a greatly reduced population. The process of population reduction will most likely be very wet and messy. That's somewhat depressing.
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby Plantagenet » Sun 13 May 2007, 14:51:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('eastbay', 'H')umans are quickly sterilizing the planet.


If that is what is depressing you, then don't worry. Far from sterilizing the planet humans are producing ever greater human populations.

Of course we humans are modifying and destroying the remaining natural habitats to support ever more humans.

Thats the depressing part.
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby eastbay » Sun 13 May 2007, 17:01:58

Of course we humans are modifying and destroying the remaining natural habitats to support ever more humans.

... yeah, what he said. That's clearer.
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby Primate » Sun 13 May 2007, 23:52:41

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Denny', ' ')But, I also thought that if I lived in New Orleans, below the river level, I'd plan my own evacuation plan and trigger for it in the event of a hurricane. Looks like I would have been an oddball there too.


Why do you think you would have been an oddball? Most people here had/have an evacuation plan.
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby Choon » Mon 14 May 2007, 04:12:28

Yes, I'm depressed. Been like this way before I became PO aware.

Sometimes I wonder if the reason I embraced PO so easily is because of that. I don't like the fact that everyone else is having the greatest time of their lives. I wonder if the idea of collapse, die-offs and MZBs on a global scale making everyone's lives even more screwed up than mine was so attractive to me that I accepted PO.
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby Newsseeker » Mon 14 May 2007, 08:13:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('basil_hayden', 'S')omebody in the past here had the theory of personality types, I think INTP was dominant. Seems like a good explanation to me.

But depressed? I don't think so. Fired up!

Chaos will let the individual shine, I think. Personally I'm done with this global dependence BS.


I was INJT Mastermind. I am too busy plotting to be concerned with depression. I am upbeat but aware of what is to come.
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby oowolf » Tue 15 May 2007, 16:29:03

If you're NOT depressed, angry, and/or anxious what the hell are you doing here? Schadenfreude?

Would you rather be living in THIS "reality"?:
http://www.ocregister.com/ocregister/li ... 288204.php
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby I_Like_Plants » Tue 15 May 2007, 16:46:55

oowolf from reading the article it seems that the mom in the story has a son or husband fighting in Iraq.

Amazing .... send off your son or husband to fight so we can get oil, then drive, drive, drive that SUV to show your patriotism. These people really think that way.
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby strider3700 » Tue 15 May 2007, 17:38:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Chaparral', '
')Most of the PO forumers I've met in person, and the number is climbing, have been highly intelligent successful business people who are proactive, sane, lucid and upbeat about their own lives while being doomerish in general. Its sort of a paradox. Us doomers who are crafting our lifeboats seem to be having fun while doing it. It's a terrific mental and physical challenge and for me, challenges = vitality!


This is exactly it. I've never enjoyed anything as much as working on my preps. For the amount of sweat money and time I've put into them the past couple of years I'd have lang ago quit anything else. Here I'm just starting to feel the wear and tear.
shame on us, doomed from the start
god have mercy on our dirty little hearts
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Re: Are peak oil people depressed by nature?

Unread postby topcat » Tue 15 May 2007, 23:12:12

Depressed, maybe; bummed out, yes.

When I look back at the times I have had, the things I have seen, I am happy. I then think of my wife's children who will not have such fortunate times. These may be the best times they will ever have. That is depressing.

Just yesterday, the youngest (22) and I went to pick up our tomato plants (480) and I dropped PO on her. As she just finished college, I felt she was ready for it. Not a long conversation, not a pleasant feeling either.
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