[EndDays]

I've been there! I've gone through the same thing, but I finally realized the answer had been sitting there in front of my face the whole time!

Lift your heads up, God is in control! The problem is He needs us all to repent of sin and put our trust in Jesus Christ! Human beings directly or indirectly brought this situation on ourselves through our greed, and the end could be horrible. The Biblical description of the End of the World is not good at all.

BUT....

Don't believe the lie that things are hopeless. No matter what is to come, Jesus Christ is going to be there and wait for you to put your Faith in Him.

"Behold, I am with you always, even to the end of the world!" (Matthew 28:20)

ED

[jc4patents]

canis lupus and enddays-------

thanks for your remarks - it helps to know others are having difficulty facing this sudden realization and that one the only course is to enjoy life and try to make whatever contribution one can make to the challenge we face.

as a long time heathen, however, I have to tell enddays that if you can find solace in an almighty I am all for you doing so - as an intelligent being, however, I find all religions to be figments of imagination - if there were a benevolent almighty, he or she would never permit things in this world - for example, a little bird run over in the street ! a gazelle run down by a pride of lions ! one child born crippled or worse and another born sound - come on - a benevolent almighty would not organize things this way.

[killJOY]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')s a long time heathen, however, I have to tell enddays that if you can find solace in an almighty I am all for you doing so - as an intelligent being, however, I find all religions to be figments of imagination

[seldom_seen]

There has got to be a God; the world could not have become so fucked up by chance alone. ~Ed Abbey

[EndDays]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jc4patents', 'c')anis lupus and enddays-------

thanks for your remarks - it helps to know others are having difficulty facing this sudden realization and that one the only course is to enjoy life and try to make whatever contribution one can make to the challenge we face.

as a long time heathen, however, I have to tell enddays that if you can find solace in an almighty I am all for you doing so - as an intelligent being, however, I find all religions to be figments of imagination - if there were a benevolent almighty, he or she would never permit things in this world - for example, a little bird run over in the street ! a gazelle run down by a pride of lions ! one child born crippled or worse and another born sound - come on - a benevolent almighty would not organize things this way.

[FireJack]

Its funny how these religious nutjobs defend themsleves. I hope most of the people here are intelligent to see though bullshit arguments like that.

How can you not notice how saying jesus died for our sins. It doesn't make any sense, he didn't even die. To my knowledge nowhere does the bible say it was "for our sins" nor does that make any sense. How does getting beaten around and ressurecting yourself do anything? I could go on like that for a long long time. I know your type though, my whole family is like that. You'll stand behind any argument that supports your beliefs even if you have to lie to yourself to believe it.
I remember at a dinner once my cousin turned to his mom and said "did you know that scientists proved prayer can increase healing by up to 70%" or some high percentage like that. Did my aunt think about for a second, did she wonder if he got his facts staight? Nope. She nodded her head, yep uhuh it supports what I want to believe so it must be true and is not to be challenged. Just imagine if at the next family gathering I causually leaned over to her and said "did you know that recent studies show that prayer does fuck all?" I could show the sutdy results, explain how everything was done properly bla bla bla. It wouldn't matter, they wouldn't listen, I tried. It doesn't support their beliefs so its wrong, period.

Im sure your a nice guy Ed and you mean well but its your kind of closed minded baseless emotional thinking that is destroying this world. You've reminded me why I have become so alienated from my otherwise wonderful family. Take your religous bullshit elsewhere.

[Cobra_Strike]

Ignore Enddays...he is one of the forums major nuts, take the most widely accepted action...click the 'ignore' on his next post. I don't mind religious people, but thinking others even have the desire to be 'saved' and that he has the ability to do that is overly self righteous.

Being depressed is one of the 'stages' of acceptance. Its much worse when your younger, as I can personally attest to.

[rogerhb]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Cobra_Strike', 'I')gnore Enddays...he is one of the forums major nuts.

[dinopello]

jc4 and canis,

you guys sound like you have it all together. Family, Friends, Community. If Peak Oil gets us back to that, there is your silver lining.

[NEOPO]

Yeah xtians are fun like that yet after experiencing a pentecostal upbringing firsthand I can assure everyone that the charm quickly fades "like a thief in the night"

Wow..the thought of making it to age 75......heheh..... this brings a smile to my face

Yes!! 75 and he does not rely on the opiate of the masses!!!

AND get this............ He gets PO!!!

For an old dude ........yer pretty damn cool

Why waste time arguing with a christian when bullets are way more convincing

[canis_lupus]

Friends, Family, Community, Methanol and Lye for the Biodiesel Processor, Heirloom seeds

...and a sense of humor!

We know what's coming...it isn't a shocker when the price of gas goes up and the economy tanks.

Luck favors the prepared. Mentally, physically, emotionally.

With the knowledge that this is on us or about to be, we can do anything. How liberating!

Keep your heads together, maintain your vision of how you want your life to be within the parameters set forth by circumstance and nature.

And go out and live it!

[Colorado-Valley]

A good quote from Tolkien, canis ...

Frodo: "I wish the ring had never come to me. I wish none of this had happened."

Gandalf: "So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to us. There are other forces at work in this world Frodo, besides the will of evil. Bilbo was meant to find the Ring. In which case, you were also meant to have it. And that is an encouraging thought."

(Maybe we as a group were meant to know about peak oil for a reason ...)

[LadyRuby]

JC4, I was just about to put up a post about the loneliness of peak oil awareness. How maybe especially in the US people don't really want to hear these dark thoughts and it can be kind of isolating.

I went through a process about peak oil, I remember clearly and even posting here that at some point I saw the world in a starkly different way, through "grey-colored glasses" as I put it. I'd look around me, at the 6-lane suburban arterial, and imagine it a wasteland. And I did go through a period where I was feeling a bit down and depressed, about peak oil, our fiscal irresponsiblity problems, global warming, etc. etc. etc.

It's okay to be in a funk for a while, but it might help if you can think about small things you can do to prepare and/or make your world better. Try to focus on the positive, hook up with people actually doing things to promote sustainability. And you might even want to consider trying to be a little more open-minded about spiritual issues. (My dad who is about your age is a confirmed atheist and I know it's probably hard to teach an old dog new tricks -- he's not interested -- I'd feel better for him if he could dig a little deeper spiritually.) I'm not Christian and I think the bible is mostly a fiction but I do believe that there's a universal energy (ha ha) source that we are all part of.

Also, as much as possible, try to focus on the present. In truth that's all we have and all we've ever had. Try, if possible or at least for a few minutes or hours during the day to forget about worrying about the future. Stop and listen to the birds singing. Appreciate how it feels to notice the wind blowing through your hair. You will always have that available to you.

And keep in mind that if our society does collapse, it will be far from the first time this has happened. This may just be part of the cycle of life here on earth.

[EndDays]

You know, its funny how I get labelled a nutjob.

There are people here with no hope and some of you encourage that by pumping more fear into each other. Some seem like they can't wait for the next gloomy news article about the rising price of oil, the crumbling environment, or the very fragil situation in the Middle East. I post messages of hope and you reject me for it. I come here to tell you the Truth and show people that there is more than hope in Jesus Christ - there is life.

You should be very concerned about what I'm telling you for the following reasons:

1) Bible prophecy is perfect. It has never failed and all that is written will happen. Therefore you should seriously consider what God has told us because its more than a book, its His Word to us.

2) I'm not preaching hatred. I'm telling you that even though we've all (that includes me) broken God's Laws, He is forgiving and will bring us home. If you hate that message, ask yourself why? You hurt God, He dies for you to bring you back to Him. That's not a message of hate, that's a message of love.

3) I have nothing to gain by this. I'm posting these messages because I care.

Jesus was right when He said.

"If the world hates you, you know that it has hated me before it hated you." (John 15:18 )

If you want to label me a nutjob, I'll take that, but just take to heart some of what I'm telling you, because I know this is the Truth. I live it everyday!

ED

[SeasonOfPain]

EndDays, your "messages of hope" are dangerously delusional, and are prime examples of the type of thinking that got the world into this mess to begin with. Whether or not you believe your Invisible Sky Buddy is going to come down and save the day, people are going to have to deal with this themselves. While spirituality is not in and of itself a bad thing, finding another excuse to say "Oh well, someone else will handle this," is NOT what is needed right now.

You can believe whatever you want to believe, and I'm not going to waste my time trying to argue with you or convince you you're wrong. But to assume that you know the mind and purpose of a supposedly omniscient, omnipotent deity is the epitome of arrogance, and to encourage that attitude in others is irresponsible, to say the least.

I honestly don't care what happens to you as a result of your own ignorance, but the repeated peddling of your snake oil on this forum is becoming infuriating. It's also unethical; while fortunately it appears most of the people here are already wise enough to ignore you, your noisome ranting is polluting threads that otherwise might help others who are trying to find some rational way to cope with this situation.

You've said your piece (many times now). We've heard it. Either we agree or don't agree. Now please be quiet and allow others to contribute if you have nothing new and useful to add.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'Y')ou've said your piece (many times now). We've heard it. Either we agree or don't agree. Now please be quiet and allow others to contribute if you have nothing new and useful to add.

[EndDays]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('SeasonOfPain', 'E')ndDays, your "messages of hope" are dangerously delusional, and are prime examples of the type of thinking that got the world into this mess to begin with. Whether or not you believe your Invisible Sky Buddy is going to come down and save the day, people are going to have to deal with this themselves. While spirituality is not in and of itself a bad thing, finding another excuse to say "Oh well, someone else will handle this," is NOT what is needed right now.

[rvijay]

Great thread. I recently had a chance to speak with a psychologist and asked her how she and her family deals with it. She said they don't know about it and just ignore it even if it exists.

A working solution.

[LadyRuby]

Enddays, I don't know how to state this more simply. Using quotes from the bible as proof means absolutely nothing to people who believe the bible was manufactured long after Jesus departed the earth, and was shaped for political purposes. The bible also tells me how I can appropriately sell my daughters, etc.

[EndDays]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('LadyRuby', 'E')nddays, I don't know how to state this more simply. Using quotes from the bible as proof means absolutely nothing to people who believe the bible was manufactured long after Jesus departed the earth, and was shaped for political purposes. The bible also tells me how I can appropriately sell my daughters, etc.