[Twilight]

The hate, scapegoating and recriminations are arriving at last.
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('some_guy282', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Eli', 'T')his summer is going to be the first massive hit of PO.

[thuja]

Yes the scapegoating will be relentless- Foreigner's poor managment of their oil fields will be a very big one. Here is how it could go in the future- "Those Arabs don't know how to produce oil from their wells. They're just letting it sit there. We need to invade them so our engineers can pump out the oil better!"

Another will be foreign governments nationalizing and/or heavily subsidizing their domestic oil.

Another will be ists blowing up oil fields.

Actual geologic constraints? That will be hard to find amidst the fracas of backbiting and scapegoating.

[joewp]

Sometime in the middle of last week, a NYC radio call-in talk show host, John Gambling on WABC was talking about oil and gasoline prices and remarked "What if the Saudis decided they're not going to sell us oil anymore? We'd have to go in there and invade, we might even have to use nukes". I waited for anybody to call in a tell him something like "Wouldn't that be stealing" or "That's not what America does".

The callers agreed with him...

I'm very afraid of what my fellow Americans are capable of doing when oil production starts to decline.

[joewp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'P')eople will lie down and be executed, for the most part. They are well trained.

[shortonoil]

joewp said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m very afraid of what my fellow Americans are capable of doing when oil production starts to decline.

[vision-master]

Here is the reply I got off another forum today. A PO thread.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', ' ')I am sure the environmental impact of all those batteries and how to dispose of them had absolutley no impact on that technology at all.

I can only imagine the bitching you left wing bitches would be parading around when 200 million people start disposing of those batteries in landfills. The environmental impact of that would eclipse the impact of burning fossil fuels ten fold.

Try checking out BMW's 7-series hyrdogen/gasoline hybrid that is switchable on the fly between fuel types and doesn't rely on fuel cell technolgy for its hydrogen use. Still gets over 400 HP and spits out water at the ass end.

Then come back in here and tell us about how future technology is being stifled by big oil. Lets not even get into how all those hybrid/electric cars look like shit and how their styling is about even with a turd with wheels.

When the demand for that tech outweighs the demand for gasoline is when you'll start seeing it out there. Right now, that demand just isn't there.

Battery powered, electric cars are a farce.

[KevO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Shannymara', 'F')*x News was on at the gym this morning. .

[DantesPeak]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('joewp', 'W')e'd have to go in there and invade, we might even have to use nukes".

I'm very afraid of what my fellow Americans are capable of doing when oil production starts to decline.

[vision-master]

Things are heating up over here.
http://venturerider.org/forum/showthread.php?t=9618

I'm trying to educate em, but I'm sure it ain't gonna sink in.

[roccman]

guys stroking guys over pictures of motorcycles....pretty sad.

[joewp]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('DantesPeak', '
')More seriously, some state we could 'nuke' countries without contaminating the oil. I don't agree, but if so, I suppose above ground we could get robots to work the oil fields, refineries, and pipelines, so everything will just work out fine.

[Valdemar]

Poor whiddle bikers, having to pay proper prices for petrol like everyone else.

Guess the American dream had to end one day.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Valdemar', 'P')oor whiddle bikers, having to pay proper prices for petrol like everyone else.

Guess the American dream had to end one day.

[shortonoil]

vision-master thanks for the link; it is a very interesting read. These folks are better informed, in general, than I would have anticipated. A little confused on some issues, but they are discussing the various essential elements of the problem, and some of them even have a working knowledge of the subject.

Like I commented in another post here (somewhere?) increasing gasoline prices and shortages may do more for the PO movement than all the authoring we can ever scribe. Even though our gasoline situation is only indirectly associated with PO, I think it could be used as a vehicle to get the message across. Training the public is very much like training a mule, first you have to get his attention; a doubled handed 2X across the head usually works. Gasoline shortages may be a reasonable facsimile of a nice oak 2X4.

[Lore]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', 'T')raining the public is very much like training a mule, first you have to get his attention; a doubled handed 2X across the head usually works. Gasoline shortages may be a reasonable facsimile of a nice oak 2X4.

[Revi]

This will just panic the mule. There are very few alternatives for the average person out there, and the government isn't helping anybody find them. How about the bicycle? Or the woodstove? Or the solar hot water system? LED lighting, insulation, etc, etc. All of these could make a big difference in one's individual situation, and could be promoted to ameliorate the problems that are coming. We need leadership to get their heads out of their butts long enough to get us mules heading in the right direction. We need this soon!

[thuja]

Here's another nice scapegoating article from msnbc....

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18505675/site/newsweek/

Incompetent Venezuelans fouling things up so we can't get their oil!!

[shortonoil]

Revi said:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd the government isn't helping anybody find them.

[NoLogos]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', 'T')here are very few alternatives for the average person out there, and the government isn't helping anybody find them.

[vision-master]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('shortonoil', '[')b]vision-master thanks for the link; it is a very interesting read. These folks are better informed, in general, than I would have anticipated. A little confused on some issues, but they are discussing the various essential elements of the problem, and some of them even have a working knowledge of the subject.

Like I commented in another post here (somewhere?) increasing gasoline prices and shortages may do more for the PO movement than all the authoring we can ever scribe. Even though our gasoline situation is only indirectly associated with PO, I think it could be used as a vehicle to get the message across. Training the public is very much like training a mule, first you have to get his attention; a doubled handed 2X across the head usually works. Gasoline shortages may be a reasonable facsimile of a nice oak 2X4.