[Plantagenet]

Things could get very bad if Iran drops a nuke on Tel Aviv, the Israelis retaliate big time, and a world war ensues, with the middle east and its oil as the prize.

[Specop_007]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Plantagenet', 'T')hings could get very bad if Iran drops a nuke on Tel Aviv, the Israelis retaliate big time, and a world war ensues, with the middle east and its oil as the prize.

[PrairieMule]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '[').
Imagine what its going to be like when the government coffers are dry and welfare momma and baby daddy dont get that government check......

[seldom_seen]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', 'L')atin America, Asia, the ME, and Africa will collapse first.

[mmasters]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', 'A') valuable lesson learned in firefighting when using 'FANS' to either draw or push toxic, explosive smoke and gases out of a building...is this, make sure you know which direction the SHIT flies when it hits the FAN. So it is important to remember where you have positioned yourself when The Expletive deleted. Hits the Fan. namaste, Raphael

[Twilight]

I know I'm positioned downwind of the fan because the UK couldn't feed itself in 1917, let alone now. Once the ships stop docking and the trucks stop rolling, the country is fucked. Here's hoping the decline is at least gradual.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('pstarr', '6')) Select rural farming centers near rail and river barge transport prosper

[Specop_007]

That was pretty good.

[threadbear]

Church membership up, consuming down. Lots of confusion and intense rounds of discussion about unemployment, the causes and effects, followed by a groundswell of dynamic energy devoted to solutions---beating up Mexicans.

[I_Like_Plants]

Twilight you Brits had trouble then, and during/after WWII too, I think there was real rationing and real hunger, of course during, but also after WWII up into the early 1960s right? At least the old council houses etc were set up to have gardens.... we don't even have that in the US....

Yeah, we're so screwed....

[basil_hayden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Specop_007', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('zensui', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', 'A') valuable lesson learned in firefighting when using 'FANS' to either draw or push toxic, explosive smoke and gases out of a building...is this, make sure you know which direction the SHIT flies when it hits the FAN.

So it is important to remember where you have positioned yourself when The Shit Hits the Fan.

namaste

Raphael

[SevenTen]

When TSHTF? TEOTWAWKI, IIRC. OTOH, WTF, it might not be that bad.

They say that crisis can bring out the best in humanity. That has always been dependent on there being someone else with not only the good-heartedness and generosity, but also the available resources to donate.

Who will have the available resources?

I'm expecting to find out just how sociopathic we all really are when our survival and our way of life is at stake.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('George Carlin', 'W')hen you're born into the world, you get a ticket to the freakshow. If you're born in the US, you get a front-row seat.

[lonewolf]

When? Ha Ha, If one needs to ask, it ain't happened to you yet
Answer 'rather' depends upon ones personal circumstance.
For some, self included, Collapse has already begun (just getting started - ain't seen nuttin' yet.)
Those of the 'lower' rungs of the economic (consumption) ladder will be struck down first and probably adapt relatively easily (if they live).
Those presently existing on the manifold 'higher rungs' will experience proportionally greater falls (terminal impacts). Think Humpty Dumpty (free protein).

"At some [past] point, optimism seamlessly morphs into [wanton ignorance and willful] stupidity". (stolen and ammended)

"The sole basis of optimism is sheer terror [of the alternatives]." ~Oscar Wilde

[lonewolf]

dupe

[neverfear]

Hey lonewolf, why don't you tell em what you really think?

Naw, nevermind. They won't hear ya anyway, until after the fact...



neverfear

[kochevnik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', '
')Get real people, this isn't going to be something where the sheeple wake up on October 10th, go to their 9-5 job, then wake up on the 11th to find the world has ended.

[I_Like_Plants]

Anyone heading into bankruptcy, which is a LOT of people, anyone who owes back taxes, anyone heading into foreclosure, again a LOT of people, is staring streight down the barrel of this kind of situation.

this is why some hope for a fast collapse.

[topcat]

I think the feces has been hitting the fan for some time now, just little turds one at a time. The mother lode is yet to come.

Have seen friends lose jobs and foreclosed upon.

Cannot think of much that has gone down in price.

I kinda expect a slow decline, which will lead to more and more crime. Lately, lots more stories of folks stealing scrap metal from homes/farms, car & home break-ins, 7/11 hold-ups, etc.

It will only take one big turd to make things really smelly.

[I_Like_Plants]

sure, I'm self employed, but I did better in '05, the year I went car-free for the summer, than in '06. People in my field are pulling in their horns, things are gearing down. I'm trying to sell my car because as much as I love the thing, I think I can do better biking and perhaps getting an old beater or just renting a car when needed.

I'm actually considering the possibility of getting a job, and doing what I do on the side. I'm trying to work out of debt but am still not sure if it's possible, if it's not I'm prepared to just rent a cheap place and draw ppl's caricatures in bars, at fairs, stuff like that, do odd jobs, etc. Because if TSHTF for me financially, I won't be able to have a bank account as such (garnishment), credit cards, anything like that - the system will make sure I'm never in a position to pay 'em. Remember what I said about capitalism eating itself, shooting itself in the foot?

Others are considering things along this line too - one large businessman saying sales are the worst EVER and he's been in biz a LONG time. Another ready to pack it in. Another got out of his shop and just works from home. And so on.