THE Hemp Thread (merged)

by **PalatineCreator** » Sat 05 Jun 2004, 22:47:16

Listen to Matt Savinar here on "Feet To The Fire" http://www.innersites.com/feet2fire/streams2/f2f-02may2004.ramscroll to about 1 hour 56 minutes and 40 seconds and he talks about an email exchange he had with a hemp activist regarding the hemp solution to peak oil.

The problem with a civilization based hemp is that we'll be having hemp wars instead of oil wars once hemp peaks due to population. However, this is how mankind has always settled population issues. I doubt that will change.

I fully expect a huge die-off while this exchange takes place. I'm taking Matt's advice and investing in silver http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net/PostOilTimesSilverBackUp.html

I think the best exchange rates are here http://www.apmex.com

I look forward to Matt's advice about hiding your silver in case the government decides to confiscate it, as it did with gold in 1933.

by **MattSavinar** » Sat 05 Jun 2004, 22:54:25

Unfortunately, whatever we do - whether it is store water, grow our own food or invest in precious metals, we face the possibility of government confiscation.

We have a choice between:

A. Do nothing. In this case, your chance of living is a big fat zero.

or

B. Prepare by acquiring skills/resources. In this case, the government may confiscate your resource, put you in prison, draft you, or just flat out put a bullet between your eyes.

The difference between A and B is this:

In scenario A, you have no chance of making it.

In scenario B, there is the possibility of making it and thus ultimately helping to rebuild whatever civilazation emerges after the one we currently live in.

Remember, replacing oil with hemp just replaces the problem of "Peak Oil" with the problem of "Peak Hemp" - which would happen very quickly as the US will not have enough arable land to feed its population by 2030.

As long as we have an economy that requires growth, it doesn't matter what the fuel source is - the economy will eventually require more growth than the energy source can provide for.

Matt

by **Chichis** » Sat 05 Jun 2004, 23:41:37

It comes down to the fact that the sun doesn't send us enough energy to support 6 billion people, let alone a constantly growing population past that point. There's no source of energy more plentiful than the Sun, and now that the bank (energy reserves under the earth) is out of money, we have to rely solely on the energy that flies at us from the sun.

by **Pops** » Sun 06 Jun 2004, 11:42:52

I suppose if I had beaucoup bucks, all the tools, land, stocks of materials and supplies likely to become scarce in the next 10-20 years; I would invest in PMs. However, since I don’t have all those things, I won’t be “Investing” in something that has little or no useful purpose, aside from filling a tooth.

If someone came to me sometime after the start of the Great Decline and offered to give me an ounce of gold for a pound of beans I would tell them I would rather have a brick of .22s or a handle for the axe I just busted, what can I do with an ounce of gold?

If you have satisfied yourself with your preparations and have cash left over, learn about diamonds. If you know what you are buying, you can get a huge dollar amount in a very small package and it will probably trade just as easily as PMs.

Just my 1/1250 oz worth.

by **MadScientist** » Sun 06 Jun 2004, 12:09:44

totally agree with pops on the dubious value of precious metals in the long run.

Id never accept a diamond either though since I have no way of telling whether its real or not. I might be persuaded into trading some food for a beautiful piece of jewelry for my wife, but not for its intrinsic value.

One way of looking at it is that there will be different kinds of people. Those who leave the cities and go out into the country to trade trinkets for food. Those who live in the country and trade food for the city folks trinkets. And those who live in the country, have their own food and trinkets, and mostly only trade for service (labor).

by **Chichis** » Sun 06 Jun 2004, 14:16:42

Diamonds for cutting I think he meant.

by **MattSavinar** » Sun 06 Jun 2004, 16:26:27

I'm in total agreement with Pops - the primary thing we should be investing in is skills and resources such as tools, seeds, weapons, etc. . .

However, let's say I put $1,000 into Silver. A year from now, that $1,000 has tripled in value for the reasons I talk about in the Silver article I wrote. I can then used that extra money to stockpile thyroid medication for my father. (He has to take it daily)

That, of course, is just one example.

Matt
http://www.lifeaftertheoilcrash.net

by **Pops** » Sun 06 Jun 2004, 17:59:51

Matt, as one who has doubts about the average guy mixing with the sharks on the upswing, I wonder if the market isn't going to be more and more stacked against one with only limited time to devote to research during the possible coming transition.

by **MattSavinar** » Sun 06 Jun 2004, 23:08:29

Pops,

My thoughts exactly. Which is why my priority is skills/resources. Put it this way: if I came into 1/2 million bucks tomorrow, I'd buy some arable land, get my home on that land as "post-crash" ready as possible, buy as much food/water/supplies as I could store and spend my time acquiring post-crash skills.

If I had some left over, I'd put that towards silver, gold, nat. gas etc.. .

Matt

by **gg3** » Mon 07 Jun 2004, 06:25:02

Sacks of portland cement, stocks of copper plumbing pipe, pallets of plywood and sheetrock, sheets of plate glass, pallets of roofing shingles, spools of electrical and telecom wire, and numerous large boxes of nails and screws, along with hardware particularly hinges and suchlike, etc. etc. And of course the tools to use those materials efficiently.

One thing I happen to have in hand right now is a quantity of telephone switching equipment sufficient to provide 1980s-modern phone service to a village of up to about 200 houses. This should be able to get me into the sustainable rural development of my choice.

BTW, I do not subscribe to the apocalypse scenarios. Prudence and preparedness yes, paranoia no.

by **Guest** » Sat 19 Jun 2004, 04:56:00

I would like to seriously take a look at hemp and how it can help us

Hemp has the following properties: It grows very fast It doesn't need fertiliser (most of which are oil based)

From hemp you can make oil. This oil can be used for making plastic (Henry Ford once made a car out of hemp plastic).So we can replace ALL the oil used for most plastics. Not bad!

You can also power diesel engines with this oil (Remember the diesel engine was originally designed to run on plant based oils) Could we replace ALL our transport with hemp diesel?

Most of our clothes are made from plastic or cotton based materials Cotton is a delicate plant needing lots of oil based fertiliser Hemp makes better fabric than cotton (as well as paper and a form of wood) and in some parts of the world its still grown for this purpose

Can we perhaps harness the potential of hemp to help wean us off oil?
How much would we have to grow?

PS I grew some once and found it was easy (too easy)
In three months I had 4 foot giants obscuring all the light from my window

Martin

by **Guest** » Sat 19 Jun 2004, 05:15:33

In about 3 seconds I found this website -

http://www.artistictreasure.com/learnmorecleanair.html

If this is true then why the heck have we been relying on underground oil
We could have been growing it all this time!

Can it really be this amazing???
Please someone either disagree or agree with me!!!!!

If its true then I'm going to set up a hemp advocation charity where I live and get some T shirts printed (made from hemp of course)
When peak oil hits I will simply give them away

Oh my GOD, its the cavalry, we're saved, wohooooooooo

Martin

by **Guest** » Sat 19 Jun 2004, 08:16:13

I once tried to obtain permision to grow INDUSTRIAL hemp (very little THC=no drug value).

This was when many states were passing "medical" laws on "marijana" (sp?). Since certain states allowed the growing of INDUSTRIAL Hemp, I figured I would contact my states (commonwealth actualy) agriculture office to get the details.

The federalies are the real hold up in this "game"

Only one university in all of the USA has permision from the DEA to grow it on an experamental basis!

I too see INDUSTRIAL Hemp as a partial solution. Partial mind ye.

For the FREE online book "The emperor has no chlothes" and other documents relating to the uses of Hemp (even a short article form "Popular Science" see:

www.jackherer.com

by **Guest** » Sat 19 Jun 2004, 11:32:18

I've done some research and here in England its easy enough to get a license to grow industrial hemp

The first was given in '93 and now theres several thousand acres
Its not much, but its a good start

All hemp grown has a THC level of under 0.3% so you can't use it to get loaded

Why don't the US just start growing hemp and process it into fuel
Its so obvious they don't even see it

Its stupid because what is oil?
Its compacted trees and plants that are dead. When its gone its gone
Hemp is the same, except its alive. If you want more you plant more seeds

Martin

by **Viper** » Sat 19 Jun 2004, 14:07:13

Ahhh, grasshopper... but how do you enforce a monopoly on legal hemp? How do you keep people from producing their own supplies and keep them perminantly attached to the corporate teet?

Ofcourse, worst of all, if people did start smoking the stuff, god forbid, the population might go down. Productivity might go down. WE MIGHT END UP WITH AN ECCONOMIC GRAPH WITH A DOWNWARD POINTING ARROW AND NO ONE WOULD CARE BUT THE ECCONOMISTS!!!!! THE REDS ARE COMING, THE REDS AR.... :twisted:

by **Guest** » Sat 19 Jun 2004, 16:40:54

Hemp grows wild on my place in the country. Usually I just have been mowing it down with my tractor as a pest weed. But I think I'll run some of it thru my shredder to make mulch for the garden. I know the birds certainly like the seeds. It grows wild over the whole regon here in the midwest, and sometimes out of area dudes get busted for harvesting it altho you could smoke a bushel of it and get nothing more than smokey lungs out of it....

b

by **MattSavinar** » Sat 19 Jun 2004, 17:05:35

What do you do about the problem of "Peak Hemp?"

Once your hemp production peaks, you are back in the same situation we are now.

And that would happen quite fast, as we are rapidly running out of arable land.

Matt

by **Cool Hand Linc** » Sat 19 Jun 2004, 18:02:28

I purchased some hemp cloths. I like them.

by **The_Virginian** » Sat 19 Jun 2004, 21:19:37

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'O')nce your hemp production peaks, you are back in the same situation we are now.

And that would happen quite fast, as we are rapidly running out of arable land.