[Freud]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('freelight', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Freud', 'I')sn't hemp and cannabis two entirely different plants? Correct me if I'm wrong.

You can't smoke hemp....... That's got to shoot a hole in a lot of motivations......

[stepka]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')sn't hemp and cannabis two entirely different plants? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[skateari]

Yes, the cannabis plant has been bread for hemp purposes (under 1% THC), plants are bred to be wide, bushy and leafy. However with your regular grade pot you find on the street was breed for the highest possible THC content (5-20% THC). To say you could get a mild buzz off of hemp is a overstatement. All you will get is a headache and a bad cough.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') have heard that hemp is a much less chemical intensive crop to grow.

[Terran]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Freud', '
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If I remember right, hemp was banned because after world war two, Dupont decided that it's synthetics were far superior, and the US government wanted a convenient excuse for making cannabis illegal.

If you look hard enough, ,you'll find an ancient Uncle Sam "Wants You! to grow hemp" pre movie trailer from the forties.....

Ironic

[savethehumans]

In the post-peak world, a community would be wise to include hemp among the crops they grow (the seeds are even good for you!). Don't worry about any nation-state forces still remaining: they banned hemp in the 1930s, but sure brought it back fast in the 1940s (they needed lots of rope during WWII!). If they see there's something in hemp production for THEM, they'll leave it alone.

Of course, then we have the problem of them coming into our communities at harvest time and taking our crop from us--but that's another topic, isn't it?

[freelight]

freud and terran are both right...individuals played the racial fear that is demonstrated among all people in order to sway those that would follow the might of the government. thereby sealing hemp from the public eye and hinging us all oil based synthetics - which is precisely what this forum is about - the narcotic aspect of cannabis is being used to discredit the industrial aspect. the possibilty suggested by carl sagan that this plant is possibly one of the first cultivated suggests how or why this plant has such a broad range of uses for humans - and one more thing - there is no way to hide unfertilized flowering female tops for smoking inside of a field of tall male and female hemp plants or any where near...they would become seeded and no longer put plant energy into producing rich THC crystal coated flower tops and instead concentrate on seed for eating and fiber for textiles. if the Mounties can tell the difference in Canada then it really isn't a question about wether the U.S. can lead the rest of the world to accept hemp as solutioin;but rather it is a question of wether the people will demand it through grass roots efforts. It would be less important that we legalize marijuana than hemp. but if hemp were legal im sure the government could care less if we smoked. see what i'm getting at?

[freelight]

carl sagan also outlines some of the basic renewable resources available to us in his last book 'billions and billions'. biomass is a big part of the future..at some point i heard that all of our current alternatives are not enough to sustain our current economy, but i wonder if these people are including the little known industrial wonder known as hemp? does anyone feel that hemp could be the missing link here? is that not why it's illegal? what exactly ARE all the alternative resources to oil INCLUDING hemp; and considering an advanced infrastructure applied to an ancient miracle, would this be enough to ease us out of this mess, say, if it were legal tomorrow?

[slacker]

funny story regarding this hemp vs pot debate. A few years back a "friend of a friend" bought a bunch of top soil from his local home depot to fill in a couple of veggie beds in his backyard. A few weeks after he planted his crop, he started noticing all these tiny sawtooth leaf sprouts all over. He left a few of them in to grow out just to see what it was because they looked familiar and it turns out it was some strain of cannabis. Come October, these plants were over 7ft tall, very leggy, and actually had a huge ammount of buds on them. Cannabis plants are dioecous, meaning they have male and female plants. These plants were all female, but they actually germinated themselves and threw seed. The smoke was apparently horrible and produced more of a headache than a high. Again, I don't know because this was a "friend of a friend". It had to have been either wild hemp, or industrial hemp. Don't know where the soil came from, but it makes me wonder who Home Depot does business with.

[savethehumans]

Uh, countries that allow hemp to GROW, maybe?

Any post-peak community that DOESN'T include hemp on its crop list is self-destructive. The stuff is so all-around versatile! (Unless, of course, you try to smoke it! )

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

whats the EPR of Hemp based fuels?
heating oil biodiesl etc etc ????

[0mar]

I dunno. Usually for biomass energy sources, the EROEI is about 2 at an optimistic level and .3-.7 if one accounts for everything, like harvesting, growing, transportation etc etc (making it an energy loser).

But for hemp specifically, I am not sure. I'd bet around in that area, but I might be wrong

[BabyPeanut]

It all boils down to "we use too much energy". You could get energy from lesser sources but you would have to seriously change the way we do things. No more single-use-zones for residential and comerical with vast fleets of cars to get between them, etc.

[quote]What about Hemp?

Everybody’s favorite biofuel suffers from the same limitations as other biofuels: lack of scalability, lack of arable land on which to grow enough of it, and a poor energy profit ratio.

Even if hemp production could be scaled up to produce a fraction of the energy provided by fossil fuels, we would just be trading “Peak Hempâ€

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

yeah , I know it boils down to that...and i've read matts book... but thats not what im asking.

its weird... with all the scientific know-how expressed on this board and you can't even get a simple concrete answer regarding the EPR of hemp.

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT', 'w')hats the EPR of Hemp based fuels?
heating oil biodiesl etc etc ????

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

right on thanx byte..

but also, 1 other thing regardless of the oil outpus is how well is grows in harsher climates relative to other crops...

anyway, I'm a novice when it comes to this sort of thing...

I understand the basics of the economic systme alot more than the science behind energy cultivation and implimintation.

[BILL_THA_PHARMACIZT]

BTW.. I still have no idea what you just wrote but I can alteast figure it out with a dictionary

[ejacob3]

I hope this all happens so the prohibitionist government folks can't control the fact that a regular guy might want to ease his peak oil frazzled nerves by having a huff or two of the the ole' hooch. Plus, many folks subscribe to the school of thought that hemp oil might be a precious (lord of the rings reference) resource.

Peak oil is here, I read and read and nothing convinces me that it is all just a hoax.
Sincerily, Chemical Engineer Bastard that can't spell

http://www.jackherer.com/ the link is a must read, it is quite an eye opener.
Quote: "If your not pissed off, your not paying attention."

[holmes]

Ive been thinking of this. I really dont smoke stick. But I am considering hybridizing the shit out of some crop. Create some massive herb. experiment with the organic production of the stuff. and use it specifically during the outdoors growing season and the greenhouse. Just stay stoned while tending the crops.

[lotrfan55345]

Doesnt hemp fuel have stagnant/negative EREOI?

[BW3]

Stumbled across some claims for industrial hemp. If true, may result in hemp coming into production for energy savings:

http://www.jackherer.com/chapter09.html

http://www.fuelandfiber.com/Hemp4NRG/Hemp4NRG.htm

http://www.crrh.org/cannabis/biodiesel.html

http://www.thehia.org/hempfacts.htm

http://www.masscann.org/hemp/

http://mojo.calyx.net/~olsen/HEMP/newhempr.html