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THE Dr. A. M. Bakhtiari Thread (merged)

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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby rider » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 16:54:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AFO', 'U').S. is not worried about peak Oil. You might ask why?

U.S. has primary access to Iraq oil & has secured access to Iraq's Oil through it's oil constitution. By 2010 Iraq will produce 3 million extra oil barrel per day, in terms of production.

I believe this will cover our shortage at least through 2015.
By 2015 hydrogen technology will be integrated in our infrastructure up to 80% level, specifically in the transportation industry. U.S.'s 25% oil consumption will be reduced to 15% level, due to less dependence on oil for our transportation industry.

After 2015 U.S. will not require to export any oil from the opec nations. Canada,mexico & Venezuala's oil exports should be sufficient enough for U.S. after 2015.


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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby dissimulo » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 17:05:08

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AFO', 'U').S. is not worried about peak Oil. You might ask why?
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I believe this will cover our shortage at least through 2015.
By 2015 hydrogen technology will be integrated in our infrastructure up to 80% level, specifically in the transportation industry. U.S.'s 25% oil consumption will be reduced to 15% level, due to less dependence on oil for our transportation industry.


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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby benzoil » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 17:12:05

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AFO', 'U').S. is not worried about peak Oil. You might ask why?

U.S. has primary access to Iraq oil & has secured access to Iraq's Oil through it's oil constitution. By 2010 Iraq will produce 3 million extra oil barrel per day, in terms of production.

I believe this will cover our shortage at least through 2015.
By 2015 hydrogen technology will be integrated in our infrastructure up to 80% level, specifically in the transportation industry. U.S.'s 25% oil consumption will be reduced to 15% level, due to less dependence on oil for our transportation industry.

After 2015 U.S. will not require to export any oil from the opec nations. Canada,mexico & Venezuala's oil exports should be sufficient enough for U.S. after 2015.


Your optimism or your sarcasm is commendable. I'm hoping its your sarcasm, because I don't think many people will share your optimism about some of the things you mention. :)

I'd say the evidence supports Bahktari and the non-optimists. The U.S. peaked well before (1+ years?) the oil embargo, but no one noticed until then. I suspect the same thing will happen here. People will say he's a chicken little until *insert some event* happens to show that peak really was in 2006 or thereabouts.
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby killJOY » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 17:29:29

I love Bakhtiari as well and wrote a piece defending him on the Oil Drum:

Bakhtiari vs Freddy the Liar

Bakhtiari is blunt without being hysterical, resigned without being defeatist.
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby MattSavinar » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 17:30:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dhfenton', '
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I don't see it as an insurmountable, run for the hills type of calamity, unless governments turn it into one with their war machines.



Dhfention,

Out of curiosity, have you checked the news anytime the last 5 years?
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby AFO » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 17:36:20

U.S. has survived 37 years of its own post oil peak, with minor energy shortages or setbacks here & there. Yes we'll have some rough months here & there between 2010-2015, but nothing significant that U.S. economy cannot obsorb.

If you study oil usage consumption regression in the transportation industry, it perfectly matches the the same ratios of increase in future U.S. demand for oil in other sectors & industries.

BTW: we do have economists that have figured out all these ratios in advance. My previous econmic professor from Univ. of Denver was one of the consultants for Dept. of Energy.

The only thing U.S. needs to worry about between 2010-& 2015 is inflation over 3% levels & unemployment higher than 20% level.
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby DantesPeak » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 17:51:53

After oil export controls were removed on Iraq, Iraq’s oil production improved – reaching even more than 3 million bpd shortly before the 2003 war started. Somewhat amazingly, more than 90% of Iraq’s oil was sent to its ‘enemy’, the US, in the year or so run up to the war.

I severely doubt that Iraq’s oil production can be brought up to 2003 levels by 2010, even though the US will have spent $1,000,000,000 on Iraq by then. But if so, we would only be back to where we were in 2003, while other countries continue to peak out and decline. There was an article in today’s news about how a number of smaller Persian Gulf countries are preparing for oil exports to fall to zero in 10 to 15 years.

Anyway, great article, and I hope to hear more from Bakhtiari.

I expect that US citizens will be awakened from their energy slumber quite soon because, as Simmons stated earlier this year, failing infrastructure may reduce utilization of oil faster than the theoretical amount of oil that can be extracted. In particular, we have pushed refineries in the US just about as far as they can go, but they won’t be able to produce enough gasoline at current levels of demand.
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby vision-master » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 17:52:39

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you study oil usage consumption regression in the transportation industry, it perfectly matches the the same ratios of increase in future U.S. demand for oil in other sectors & industries.


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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby Geko45 » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 17:53:43

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AFO', 'U').S. has survived 37 years of its own post oil peak, with minor energy shortages or setbacks here & there. Yes we'll have some rough months here & there between 2010-2015, but nothing significant that U.S. economy cannot obsorb.

If you study oil usage consumption regression in the transportation industry, it perfectly matches the the same ratios of increase in future U.S. demand for oil in other sectors & industries.

BTW: we do have economists that have figured out all these ratios in advance. My previous econmic professor from Univ. of Denver was one of the consultants for Dept. of Energy.

The only thing U.S. needs to worry about between 2010-& 2015 is inflation over 3% levels & unemployment higher than 20% level.

I'm sorry, but I could drive a diesel semi through the holes in that logic. The U.S. was able to deal with its peak by continually importing more and more foreign oil. If we had not been able to do so then it would have simply been catastrophic. When the world as a whole peaks, there will be nowhere to import from. The difference between the two scenarios will be night and day.
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby JPL » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 17:58:02

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AFO', 'U').S. has survived 37 years of its own post oil peak, with minor energy shortages or setbacks here & there. Yes we'll have some rough months here & there between 2010-2015, but nothing significant that U.S. economy cannot obsorb.

If you study oil usage consumption regression in the transportation industry, it perfectly matches the the same ratios of increase in future U.S. demand for oil in other sectors & industries.

BTW: we do have economists that have figured out all these ratios in advance. My previous econmic professor from Univ. of Denver was one of the consultants for Dept. of Energy.

The only thing U.S. needs to worry about between 2010-& 2015 is inflation over 3% levels & unemployment higher than 20% level.


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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby Twilight » Wed 18 Apr 2007, 18:51:06

Uh, the whole point of a global peak is you can't import your way out of the problem.
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby savethehumans » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 00:50:28

The most amazing thing to me in this thread is that even the most pessimistic of you who have posted is more optimistic about the future than I could ever hope to be.

Nice to hear someone of Bakhtiari's smarts admit that it's over, though.
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby DesertBear2 » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 02:31:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AFO', 'U').S. has survived 37 years of its own post oil peak, with minor energy shortages or setbacks here & there.

Yup. That huge US military has been good for something. We have been able to force a world order that allows us to import all the oil we need at great discounts for the last 35 years. Too bad that the US is now bankrupt and our military doesn't really scare anyone after the Iraq debacle.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AFO', 'B')TW: we do have economists that have figured out all these ratios in advance. My previous econmic professor from Univ. of Denver was one of the consultants for Dept. of Energy.

I thought that most economists agreed that nobody could make accurate predictions about oil depletion without greater data transparency on the part of the producing nations.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AFO', 'T')he only thing U.S. needs to worry about between 2010-& 2015 is inflation over 3% levels & unemployment higher than 20% level.


Only 20% unemployment? Well that is still 5% short of the worst unemployment of the Great Depression. Lucky for us in the 30s, the US government was running big surpluses and the average citizen had little or no debt + a lot of real life skills like farming and manufacturing. Oh, don't forget that oil discoveries were skyrocketing and a barrel of oil went for $0.10 at one point.

Of course, we don't have those advantages today as most people are massively indebted and have lost most of the remaining real life skills like growing food. Our government and most consumers are nearly bankrupt, we have massive looming entitlement costs, and energy costs will be skyrocketing during a time of double digit unemployment. Result- political upheaval like we haven't seen in nearly a century.
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby EnergyUnlimited » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 02:44:42

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AFO', 'U').S. has survived 37 years of its own post oil peak, with minor energy shortages or setbacks here & there. Yes we'll have some rough months here & there between 2010-2015, but nothing significant that U.S. economy cannot obsorb.

US peak is not to be confused with world peak. First was addressed by oil markets up to date but those are no solution for second one.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f you study oil usage consumption regression in the transportation industry, it perfectly matches the the same ratios of increase in future U.S. demand for oil in other sectors & industries.

So you will need constant supply, difficult task in medium term post peak and impossible task in long term.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'B')TW: we do have economists that have figured out all these ratios in advance. My previous econmic professor from Univ. of Denver was one of the consultants for Dept. of Energy.

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$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')he only thing U.S. needs to worry about between 2010-& 2015 is inflation over 3% levels & unemployment higher than 20% level.

Do you mean 3000% inflation and 60% unemployment?
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby kokoda » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 06:32:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or example, according to my personal research, the country best prepared to cope with the 'Post Peak' shocks seems to be Australia because three major institutions have led the way to boost public awareness:

If this is true then the world really is screwed because Australia has really done very little to prepare for peak oil.
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby BrazilianPO » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 07:24:29

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kokoda', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'F')or example, according to my personal research, the country best prepared to cope with the 'Post Peak' shocks seems to be Australia because three major institutions have led the way to boost public awareness:

If this is true then the world really is screwed because Australia has really done very little to prepare for peak oil.


C'mon, Australia will burn its way through Peak Oil. We have HUGE amounts of coal. Forget global warming and other details.

We just have to ressucitate the old steam car :-D :) :(

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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby Newsseeker » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 10:32:31

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayame', 'B')akhtiari is my favourite peak oil expert.



Me too and so far history is proving him to be correct. I am not looking forward to T2 and T3. The world will be in shambles by T4.
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby Newsseeker » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 10:35:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AFO', 'T')he only thing U.S. needs to worry about between 2010-& 2015 is inflation over 3% levels & unemployment higher than 20% level.


But let's not think about what the world will be facing circa 2020 (Bakhtiari estimates we will be down to 55 mbpd) to 2050. The only question that remains is when does industrial civilization effectively shut down?
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Re: Bakhtiari says peak oil was in 2006

Unread postby MD » Thu 19 Apr 2007, 11:39:23

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newsseeker', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('AFO', 'T')he only thing U.S. needs to worry about between 2010-& 2015 is inflation over 3% levels & unemployment higher than 20% level.


But let's not think about what the world will be facing circa 2020 (Bakhtiari estimates we will be down to 55 mbpd) to 2050. The only question that remains is when does industrial civilization effectively shut down?


As we know it? Almost immediately.
Industrial civilization in some form will continue in various places and at various intensities and scales for the forseeable future.
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