[lateralus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pablo2079', 'A')nd then I said "You Won't"....

hahahaha

Oh sorry, this thread has taken some interesting twists and turns.

[jedinvest]

and besides, my college age daughter does not like to discuss the topic at all, but when pressed, will freely admit that yes, we have screwed the world for them. So, I think she knows. She hangs out with a mostly intelligent crowd. Do you expect them to dwell on it??? Of course, not. We are the ones that created the mess and we ought to be the ones dwelling on it and getting depressed over it.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', 'I')t may sound strange but some of the best times in my life have been wholly unproductive. *shrug* go figure.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')t may sound strange but some of the best times in my life have been wholly unproductive. *shrug* go figure.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Pablo2079', 'A')nd then I said "You Won't"....

hahahaha

Oh sorry, this thread has taken some interesting twists and turns.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', 'T')he concept of having a good time while being "unproductive" is referred to by most people as "fun". Surely you've heard the term before.

[JasonHam]

Of course, this is the kind of trash that is quoted by the "not my fault" parents of the world

I'm sure there are horrible parents out there who use anything to excuse their poor performance as a parent.

But for the vast majority, ADDH/PDD/Autism/whatever else , is a problem a parent can do very little about without being educated/helped/supported by the medical and chil physchology establishment. Furthermore, what these parents need is support and understanding from the general public. Not ridicule or judgement.

I know this from experience:

Here is a scenario:

A 2 and half year old little boy who has been diagnosed with PDD. PDD is a mild form of autism, not really autism but the child shows some signs of autism.

The boy has no understanding of the concept of waiting in line. He just doesnt get it. The family is at a theme park and they walk by an ice cream stand; The boy start screaming for ice cream. His mother walks over and gets in line. The boy continues to scream and now is so possessed about the thought of getting the ice cream he starts to squirm out of her arms. He will not be denied. The mother, trying to tell him there were other people here first and we have to wait in line has no chance what so ever of getting through to the child. None, nadda; You could hit the kid with all your weight, smack him upside the head, tie him up and kstart kicking him, he wont stop screaming for that ice cream. Paddling doesnt work, talking doesnt work. These parents need all the support they can get!

ohh - Im not a parent but I'm an Uncle.

Autism , PDD, ADDH are on the rise. More and more people are sufferring becuase of these disorders. I'm not sure if anybody has found a reason for the rising cases of these disorders. Research time.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '.')..your kid is just a homozygous mutant...

[kochevnik]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')
You'd think that maybe we're talking about some sort of isolated loner, wouldn't you? Not hardly. Last week his mom got home a little early, and found him in the kitchen with four girls from his high school! They were all sitting around the kitchen table while he was making fluffernutters for them.

There's a nice skateboard park near us. He's made a whole separate set of friends over there. They're like a mini United Nations. They're of every sort of ethnicity you could imagine.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')The very worst thing you could do to your chilrdren right now would be to turn them into people who could be a success in this world - because it will SURELY ensure that they will be a failure in the world to come.

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kochevnik', '.')..it may be that your son already understands more about how life TRULY is than you do - in fact I would bet money on it.

To get thru the next few decades alive is going to require thinking so far outside of the current box, that most of you here can't even imagine the mindset required...

[JasonHam]

The very worst thing you could do to your chilrdren right now would be to turn them into people who could be a success in this world - because it will SURELY ensure that they will be a failure in the world to come.

isnt this a bit extreme? I mean higher learning universities/schools were around before the Oil age, they will be around after. Education is the one thing a person needs now more than ever!!

[horsestoaster]

None of my children are interested in "conventional" paths for their lives.Many of my friends and,to an extent,my husband seem unable to deal with this.They all know about Peak Oil.Even my 8 YO has the basic concept and any questions he has are answered as best as possible for his age but honestly as well.Far from seeing this as negative we view this as a challenge to be met.We add skills that we hope and believe will be useful.We enjoy modern convenience but also realize these things are just that.We live very modestly and are always keeping an eye on being as self sufficient as we can be.My kids are very intelligent and educated.Still,I give them credit for not conforming despite peer and family pressure.Sometimes it's very difficult.Give your kids at least the credit you would wish someone to give you in accepting the unpleasant truths of this world.You may be surprised how much they can handle and even have a different and maybe better perspective than us spoiled adults do.

[JasonHam]

If that was my kid and he started yelling about ice cream, I'd drag his ass to the car, drive him home, and we wouldn't leave the house until he understood that he will never do that again. Then we'd try again. If he did it again, I'd do it again.

And we'd repeat this until he got himself under control or until he had gone to the age of 18 without having icecream in public.

Sounds to me like the parents to whom you refer are losers.

Then you would spend the next 18 years locking the kid in his room. Smacking the kid upside his head, and a prisoner to the disorder. And the kid wouldnt have recieved the help he desperatley needed......

I know its easy to think of these kids as "dumb" or "mentally handicapped" BUT THEY AREN'T. Far from it. Their brain, just works differently when it comes to social behaviour. The way they communicate is, different. I don't know much about it all really, I'm not a doctor and I havent done a great deal of research. I do know, that if you learn specific techniques on how to deal with these disorders and you catch it early in the childs development, along with medication, it can be "managed".

So, next time you see that kid screaming and yelling in line, try to support the parent(s) trying to get a handle on the kid, instead of judging them.....

[JasonHam]

More often than not the kids are behaving that way because the parents did not know how or did not bother to set and enforce boundaries appropriately and consistently. It's true there are some children who are neurologically impaired, but the majority are not.

How do you know that? And how would you know that? And even so, why make the situation worse by shooting a "disapproving" glance towards the parents? WHat good does it do??? You think the parents give a rats ass about you disapproving with them?

People are too self righteous in this country......................

[JasonHam]

i apologize, i was the one quick to judge......I misunderstood your point in the last thread and jumped to assumptions...

Gideon has a way ratcheing up the stress level and putting you on defense......I dont mind though, makes for lively debates...

[JasonHam]

Bullshit. If they kid can't understand that yelling and screaming results in not leaving the house and not getting icecream then the kid is either . . .
Retarded or Has a very very serious brain defect.

It's really that simple. I know it's not nice and warm and fuzzy, but that's it. In neither case would I handle it like I would for a kid who understands consequences. If the kid really doesn't get that punishment will follow misbehavior, then we are talking about a human being whose brain is so dysfunctional that they will never be able to live without constant supervision or heavy medication.

Gideon, You couldnt be more wrong. You are 100% incorrect in everything you stated in the above text. I can't remember the last time I witnessed some this Wrong and Ignorant about something. Now, this I agree with you on. I had kids, I just know myself; Its me in particular that wouldnt give a shit what other parents thought.
Quote: You think the parents give a rats ass about you disapproving with them? Yes! Yes I do! I think that 99% of people I met are so vain that they actually give a shit what the neighbors think.

[aflurry]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('aflurry', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('kevincarter', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ayoob', 'I') remember when parents used to try to make it easier for their kids. They built up things to pass down to their children.

[kochevnik]

Kids NEED lmits.

What they do is test you CONSTANTLY to see if you are on your toes. If they ever come to feel that they are in charge - either thru the parent giving in all the time, or not having the time or energy to set limits, kids PANIC. They don't really want to be in charge, what they do is test you to make sure someone else is in charge and when they have confirmed that is true they become more secure.

Shanny has it pegged perfectly and Gideon is the kind of hard-ass father every kid secretly wishes was his own dad. When your father and mother are hard on you (without being abusive) it means they love you enough to make sure you understand right and wrong and that you will grow up to be a decent, polite hard-working human being.

It is CRUCIALLY important if you have children to become as retro a possible in raising your kids if you believe PO is for real.

To raise them in the manner that most parents do today is the ultimate form of child abuse IMO.

[Baldwin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'S')hanny has it pegged perfectly and Gideon is the kind of hard-ass father every kid secretly wishes was his own dad. When your father and mother are hard on you (without being abusive) it means they love you enough to make sure you understand right and wrong and that you will grow up to be a decent, polite hard-working human being.