[Baldwin]

Though I believe Gideon has too little information to go on with his sometimes self-aggrandizing rantings, he does make 2 good points:

-Get him off of World of Warcraft. Better yet, YOU take over his account so you can see the BS he is exposed to via the in-game chat functions (among young people, it is almost legendary on the internet). Then you'll see why the makers of that game need to be shot, with a good whipping for many who play it. As it's been related to me, the chat that takes place is absolutely filthy (think of many 14 yr old american boys with no boundaries let loose).

-Consider homeschooling. Public education is an idiot/sheeple factory. Spending 7 hours a day in an environment where 80% of the kids carry undesireable traits contradicts and destroys many of the values a good parent will want to put into their child.

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'a')nd what a ridiculous, destructive, silly liberal notion that a child should be "friends" with his father's sister

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', '.')..I am 17...

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')f a regular job is out of the question it might be worth exploring the competitive aspects of his passion skateboarding or world of warcraft.

[Concerned]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '
')
It's too late now.

[Zardoz]

I never hit him. Not even a swat. I'm glad I didn't:

[url=http://xnet.kp.org/permanentejournal/winter02/owngood.html]For Your Own Good: Hidden Cruelty in Child-Rearing
and the Roots of Violence[/url]

Another review

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')lice Miller traces the history of child rearing in Germany for the past two centuries and concludes that the source of criminality and of war itself lies in the abuse of children by their parents. Books on child rearing written during that period are quoted extensively and illustrate how beatings were used to condition children.

Centuries ago helpful advice was given to parents to encourage them to eliminate obstinacy, defiance and natural exuberance from their children's lives. Dr. Miller states that the parents' motives then were the same as they are today: to condition and manipulate the child and then to rationalize that it is done for the child's own good. This process she terms "poisonous pedagogy.''

The use of humiliation (which satisfies the needs of the parents) destroys the child's self-confidence. To suppress crying and feeling, the parents were told to reward stoicism and self-control. Childhood excitement was considered a vice, and "inhibition of life'' was extolled as a virtue. Even the expression of natural maternal feelings were characterized as doting.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', '.')..I'll try and offer some insider's advice...

[Zardoz]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '.')..neuro-psyche...NOT a neurologist, and more importantly NOT a psychiatrist.

[threadbear]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', '.')..neuro-psyche...NOT a neurologist, and more importantly NOT a psychiatrist.

[lateralus]

Just when I thought that it couldn't get any better.

[Baldwin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'N')ice links to psychobabble crap about not hitting kids.

For 100,000 years kids got hit and for the most part, men had honor and were honest and one's character meant something.

Now men act like children until they're 30 because their pussified fathers read books written by women about how spanking a kid will cause catastrophic results.

[Ibon]

Check out this link on how excessive video game playing can lead to a succesful career

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.c ... GAMERS.TMP

Choi Yeon-sung avoids going out most days, and when he's on the street, he puts his head down -- to dodge the whispers, the stares and the pleas for autographs.
Such are the hardships of a celebrity video game player in South Korea.

Choi has 90,000 members in his fan club. He pulls down $190,000 a year in salary and winnings combined, in a country where the average annual income is $16,291. At 23, the boyish-looking professional gamer has achieved a level of fame bestowed elsewhere on movie idols, soccer stars and Olympic champions

[threadbear]

Baldwin--you are such a peach. . I sense you're a kindly wizened elf trapped in the body of a teenaged boy.

Gideon. I don't get you. I have this picture in my mind of a guy frothing at the mouth while he dislocates his shoulder patting himself on the back. Isn't it unfortunate enough to have a difficult child without someone taking you apart over it? If you'd like to give advice, you might want to tone it down a bit. Because, actually some of what you say makes some sense.

[Ibon]

Or Try this one

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/08/arts/ ... yt&emc=rss

But then there were the screams.

Frantic, piercing, the shrieks echoed down the corridors from one corner of the vast underground complex. There hundreds of young people, mostly women and girls, waved signs and sang slogans as they swirled in the glare of klieg lights. It was the kind of fan frenzy that anywhere else would be reserved for rockers or movie legends.

Or sports stars. In fact the objects of the throng’s adoration were a dozen of the nation’s most famous athletes, South Korea’s Derek Jeters and Peyton Mannings. But their sport is something almost unimaginable in the United States. These were professional video gamers, idolized for their mastery of the science-fiction strategy game StarCraft.


South Korea, a country of almost 50 million people and home to the world’s most advanced video game culture: Where more than 20,000 public PC gaming rooms, or “bangs,” attract more than a million people a day. Where competitive gaming is one of the top televised sports. Where some parents actually encourage their children to play as a release from unrelenting academic pressure. Where the federal Ministry of Culture and Tourism has established a game development institute, and where not having heard of StarCraft is like not having heard of the Dallas Cowboys. The finals of top StarCraft tournaments are held in stadiums, with tens of thousands of fans in attendance.

[Zardoz]

Perhaps you missed this post. I'll ask again:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Zardoz', '
')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', ' ')
...I am 17...

[TorrKing]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '
') For 100,000 years kids got hit and for the most part, men had honor and were honest and one's character meant something.

[Baldwin]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'M')y daughter is in college and she finds the males to be, almost universally, immature to the point of pain.

[Ibon]

The challenge for Zardoz is that the template has already been set with his relationship with his son. Trying to implement a more disciplined strategy with consequences will be a daunting task. It's similar to school teachers who lose control of their classrooms, once that credibility is lost it is very difficult to regain it.

Some kind of catalyst or shift in this boys life to throw him out of his current realitywill be necesarry for Zardoz to have a chance at turning his son around. I think initially this has to come from some shared external experience. I come back to the idea of a trip to a developing country. Or a wilderness backpacking trip. The value of travel to a poor country is that by and large teenagers in poorer countries are more respectful and more mature on average than the over indulged AMerican youth. I can remember when travelling with my daughters they were amazed about how the average teenagers in the countries we visited where so much more mature. For my older daughter it threw her off base and broke some of those threads where she was beginning to align herself with those sheeple conditioned teenagers (thanks Baldwin) back at home.

Since we returned from that year of travel my daughter expresses many of the same sentiments today that Baldwin is stating here.

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Torjus', 'T')here probably is a reason why the US has more psychopaths and serial killers (per let's say 1000 people) than almost every other country in the world. Vandalism and social problems is almost a trademark of the UK, which "strangely" coincides with a high support of physical punishment of kids.

[PhebaAndThePilgrim]

Good day, From Pheba, from the farm:
Goodness, where is the love and tolerance!
I have a daughter, age 30. She is a nurse, works nights, and is raising 3 small boys. She also takes care of an ailing elderly relative. Her husband is a good enough guy, but he is spoiled.
She cleans, cooks, pays all bills, mows the lawn, etc.
I give her what advice I believe will help her concerning peak oil,
But, I don't overload her.
She is already under tremendous stress.
Love is a verb, and it consists of doing what is right for somebody else. Love is more concerned with doing right, than being right.
I hope we are all wrong. I hope the TSDNHTF, but I believe it will, and soon.
So, I have advised my daughter to do those things she can do without harping on the doomerosity of Peak Oil.
She is highly intelligent, but the last thing I want is for her to have a nervous breakdown.
She and son in law have already worked hard at reducing debt, and they will be completely debt free in a couple of years.
Not bad for two young kids with 3 babies (all boys, two twins), a new home, and two vehicles.
The advice I have given my daughter:
reduce your debt load, get out of debt. They are doing that.
Reduce your need on outside energy sources. They are following my advice on that also.
Other than that I tell my daughter not to worry about it.
She and son in law grew up in the country, and know how to do things to survive. She can kill and dress a chicken, and he kills and dresses deer all during deer season. They then live on deer hamburger year round. My daughter has completely losther taste for beef hamburger.
His dad raises and butchers his own cattle. they all pitch in and they all know how.
They have low utility bills. Son in law built house, kept the house small,and insulated it at an insane level.
What more can the kids do?
I don't want to make my daughter sick with worry.
Also, Hubby and I have completely cleared debts, and we are becoming as prepared as possible so when the SHTF we can help them. We are aging, (early 50's), but they will have to be dealing with this mess for decades.
How I look at it.
Have a great day.
Pheba, from the farm:

[TWilliam]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', ' ') You can cite 1,000 sociolgy papers if you'd like.