[lateralus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('savethehumans', 'I') won't make it.

[MaterialExcess]

There'll be a dieoff but I'm make it because... (perhaps I'll post why)

Home in a rural area with a bomb shelter, lots of food, lots of guns, and lots of ammo.

[Heineken]

That'll buy you a few months, maybe as much as two or three years, MaterialExcess.

[sameu]

I'll make it or die trying

let other generations profit of the abundant energy and leave me and my cohorts with all the shit and dying
I don't think so

[MaterialExcess]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')hat'll buy you a few months, maybe as much as two or three years, MaterialExcess.

[sameu]

uhu seems to me that the first months/year will be crucial to survival
if you can bridge that period you should be relative fine
imo
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[BlisteredWhippet]

Water and food is what its all about.

savethehumans has a salient point though, about dependency. There is nothing in the go-it-alone for those of us who absolutely require the just-in-time services of modern life. Those people, I expect, wll provide a backbone for the consolidation of any centralized power. "America", as a political entity, in whatever form is what I'm referring to.

Peak Oil is too much of a clusterfuck to navigate through conceptually. But Bird Flu Pandemic is more certain, its effects more predictable, and because of historical models, a more concrete picture of its reality is conceivable. In terms of social/cultural meltdown, I predict bird flu to hit prior to the effects of peak on world economic and political systems.

The shocks of pandemic and aftereffects might just be the type of catalyst required for handling peak. All the mechanizations of government and society required for pulling through bird flu pandemic are applicable to peak circumstances. The Boomer generation, you can be sure, will be ultramotivated as they watch the best and brightest of their cherished children die early, horrible deaths.

So to some degree personal survival will become the "business" of government and the people may no longer tolerate the ineffectualisms of government and the hallucinatory economy.

In most things, climaxing negative effects engender corrective reactionary behaviors. You eat too much cake and you get a stomach ache. In this case, the stomach ache will be heartache as millions of parents bury their children. A yawning gap will open between the generations that will create a new pantheon of martyrs that will galvanize public opinion in a way that will make people shake their heads in disgust at the excessive consumerism of today's era. To them, it will seem shameful and immoral at best. Such behavior will no longer be publicly tolerated. Imagine a federal cap on CEO bonuses lobbied for by CEOs themselves eager to align themselves with the new morality. Health and food industries that peddled sugar-water and other dubious chemicals toward American children in particular will be pilloried.

So whats your chances of surviving Bird Flu? Me, I'm starting a plan on a 6-12 month bug-out. Think about it. Bird flu could easily trigger a worldwide depression, an economic trough that lasts for years, perhaps creating a demand destruction scenario making the transition to peak sort of a nice gradual metamorphosis. A centralized government with a new mandate toward public welfare would be the ideal instrument to steer "Titanic" away from the shoals, at least a few more generations.

Bird flu is easy to fight. Just stay the hell away from other people. You'll need traps and guns in case everyone's cats and dogs become intermediate carriers. Critical aspects will be access to uncontaminated food and water, and shelter. And lastly, I would think a means to communicate with the outside world would be most ideal for psychological reasons. Imagine dialing random phone numbers on your cellphone because everyone you know is dead or disconnected. Solar or hand crank that bastard.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MaterialExcess', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'T')hat'll buy you a few months, maybe as much as two or three years, MaterialExcess.

[mercurygirl]

A pandemic of some sort is inevitable. This article predicts its occurrence post-anarchy, but when is an unknown. I do know that there's a lot of planning being done to prepare for "Bird Flu".

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')n less than 20 years, the self-regulating market system will have "run out of gas" and vanished. With the market system gone, the ruling elites will fall back on the good old-fashioned means of control: a police state. In the US alone, 200 million guns in private ownership guarantee that this police state will quickly devolve into rebellion and anarchy.

If the anarchy scenario were to reach its natural conclusion, the global elites would be eliminated by the angry masses. Those who managed to escape would die more miserably than the poor since they are unsuited for day-to-day survival because they lived their lives like queen bees.

But when the above scenario seems inevitable, the elites will simply depopulate most of the planet with a bioweapon. [[39]] When the time comes, it will be the only logical solution to their problem. It's a first-strike tactic that leaves the built-infrastructure and other species in place and allows the elites to perpetuate their own genes into the foreseeable future: "War is a male reproductive strategy. All that is needed for the strategy to evolve, is that aggressors fight and win more often than they lose". [[40]]

The global genocide will be rationalized as a second chance for humanity -- a new Garden of Eden -- a new Genesis. The temptation will prove irresistible.

[JasonHam]

If Mad Max becomes reality, Im 100% certain I'll die within a short time frame.

1. I'm not going to suffer too much before I just start taking what I need.

2. Id rather go out being knived or shot or clubbed to death than starving or by some disease....

[RonMN]

Quote:
War is a male reproductive strategy

Who said that? Some butt ugly wench who couldn't get none?
Nancy Pelosi?