[FourOfSwords]

Auscanman, I live right next door to you in Mississauga! In 15 years I'll be 65, need an old fart like myself to help around the farm? I'm good at shovelling the shit figuritively and literally. :0
If you're at all interested in talking PO send me a PM.
My great drawback to doing well PO, is that my 17 year old son, and my wife just don't buy into it and I've given up talking to them about it. My 6 year old though is getting an education about PO, and she thinks we're just playing outdoor games and such, when really she's learning to survive.
Give me a shout if interested.
Cheers.
Alex.

[Jellric]

I expect a dieoff and I expect to survive it. I have been planning for multiple scenarios and while no plan is a sure thing I feel confidant.

The one scenario that really worries me is a sudden crash and zombies hordes. I don't expect that to happen however.

I feel there will be a relatively slow slide. Most people in non-rural areas will be too tired and depleted from malnutrition and disease to spend precious energy wandering the countryside.

[max_power29]

I think the government will come down hard on everybody (especially those who have prepared and are relatively independent) who is not in the richest 1 percent, and that surviving government (especially federal) brutality in a slower crash scenario will be the biggest challenge to survival.

government is now really nothing more than a mafia after all. The police state will trump everybodies preps.

[Loki]

Wow, I thought I was a doomer until I looked at this poll. 82% of the respondents think there will be a greater-than-minor dieoff, and another 13% think there will be a minor dieoff. I'm in the small minority 5% that doesn't think there will be a dieoff per se. And here I thought that I was pessimistic about the future.

The human population will obviously have to decline, but I see this as a long-term process. By the end of the century it will almost certainly be less than it is now, but that will be due primarily to declining birthrates. I think the major effect of PO--and all the other shit coming down the track--will be a grinding, lingering Greater Depression. It will definitely suck for 95% of us, but a dieoff? I seriously doubt it. But the Greater Depression will most likely depress birthrates and shorten lifespans (esp. of men), contributing to a long-term population decline.

As for whether I'll survive "it," who knows. I've always assumed I'd die young, even long before I became aware of PO. My father died at age 35 (killed by drunk driver), his father at 62 (throat cancer from smoking), and his father in his 30s (quarry accident). The men in my family don't live particularly long.

[Heineken]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Loki', 'T')he human population will obviously have to decline, but I see this as a long-term process.

[bshirt]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', 'I') think the government will come down hard on everybody (especially those who have prepared and are relatively independent) who is not in the richest 1 percent, and that surviving government (especially federal) brutality in a slower crash scenario will be the biggest challenge to survival.

government is now really nothing more than a mafia after all. The police state will trump everybodies preps.

[Bytesmiths]

Five acres of valley bottom on an island, good water supply, re-building a half-acre pond, wind turbines coming in next week, biodiesel processor built, good supply of wood for heat... I do think I have more reason for most in thinking our little community will make it.

I do have to laugh at those who think their weapons will save them. They're either thinking they're going to use their weapons to steal food, or it gives new meaning to the phrase, "Eat lead!"

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bytesmiths', 'F')ive acres of valley bottom on an island, good water supply, re-building a half-acre pond, wind turbines coming in next week, biodiesel processor built, good supply of wood for heat... I do think I have more reason for most in thinking our little community will make it.

I do have to laugh at those who think their weapons will save them. They're either thinking they're going to use their weapons to steal food, or it gives new meaning to the phrase, "Eat lead!"

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', 'y')ou really think you are not going to need to use a weapon?!

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bytesmiths', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', 'y')ou really think you are not going to need to use a weapon?!

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bytesmiths', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', 'y')ou really think you are not going to need to use a weapon?!

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('killJOY', 'I')t doesn't matter how much one prepares, because if one's neighbors haven't prepared, then it's all for nought.

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('marko', 'I') am not going to sacrifice my present happiness for some vague possibility of extending my life by a year or two in the future.

[Revi]

I agree with you, Bytesmiths. We aren't going to make it through this as individuals. All of our plans are going to turn to crap, unless we involve our neighbors. The retirement plans will have to involve our neighbors. We're thinking of heading to a small island where we have family ties as well. We'll have some sheep, burn some wood and live as simply as possible. Hopefully it'll be away from some of the craziness.

We'll see what happens...

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('mmasters', 'I')'d rather be a have than a have not so that's where my intentions lie at this point.

[max_power29]

You accuse me of being a troll when you make snide comments like:

" I do have to laugh at those who think their weapons will save them. They're either thinking they're going to use their weapons to steal food, or it gives new meaning to the phrase, "Eat lead!"?

No matter how much you detest the idea of it, your community IS going to have to defend itself with violence or threat of violence. Its selfish and cowardly of you not to contribute to the common defense of it.

As for Ghandi he was good at organizing mass protests. However, it was not passive resistance only that won Indian independence.

"Not all the demonstrations were peaceful. Bombs exploded, government buildings were set on fire, electricity was cut, and transport and communication lines were severed.
The British swiftly responded by mass detentions. A total over 100,000 arrests were made nationwide, mass fines were levied, bombs were air-dropped and demonstrators were subjected to public flogging. Hundreds of resisters and innocent people were killed in police and army firings.

The successes and failures of the Movement are debated. Some historians claim it failed. By March 1943, the movement had petered out. Even the Congress, at the time saw it as failure. Analysis of the campaign obtained by Military Intelligence in 1943 came to the conclusion that it had failed in the aim of paralysing the government. It did however cause enough trouble and panick among the War administration for General Lockhart to describe India as an "Occupied and hostile country". However, much as it might have disconcerted the Raj, the movement may be deemed to have ultimately failed to bring the Raj to its knees and the negotiating table for immediate transfer of power, as it aimed to. It came to all but a close whithin five months of its inception, and was nowhere near its grandiose aim of toppling the Raj. The primary underlying reason, it seems, was the loyalty of the army, even where the local and native police came out in sympathy. This certainly, was also the view of the British Prime Minister at the time of transfer of power, Clement Atlee. Atlee deemed the contribution of Quit India as minimal, ascribing stupendous importance to the revolts and growing dissatisfaction among Royal Indian Armed Forces during and after the war as the driving force behind Britain's decision to leave India

It may ultimately be a fruitless question whether it was the powerful common call for resistance among Indians that shattered the spirit and will of the British Raj to continue ruling India,or whether it was the forment of rebellion and resentment among the British Indian Armed Forces."-Answers.com quit india movement

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', 'N')o matter how much you detest the idea of it, your community IS going to have to defend itself with violence or threat of violence.

[max_power29]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Bytesmiths', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', 'N')o matter how much you detest the idea of it, your community IS going to have to defend itself with violence or threat of violence.

[Bytesmiths]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('max_power29', 'J')ust please don't go around... trying to overturn the second amendment.

[max_power29]

Your profile said Cascadia. A lot of people call the Pacific Northwest of the United States Cascadia.

And no I don't think the world revolves around 'Murricans and I am against ALL foreign wars even world war II.

I believe the United States should be more like Switzerland, which is the greatest country in the world.