"You won't."

by **kochevnik** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 15:49:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'G')ideon wins the asshole of the thread award for this one; in my not-so-humble opinion.

by **threadbear** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 15:52:07

Lots of axes to grind here. Let me tell the gen X and Yers a little story. I was talking to a friend who is in her early sixties. You know what her parents left her, and will leave her? Sure she'll get a bit of an inheritance, but they both actively discouraged her from getting an education. She had to really fight to go to university.Her dad also whipped her for any minor indiscretion, from early childhood. The emotional scars are still quite evident, as she seems robbed of the ability to experience unadulterated joy.

She describes her life in terms of survival, but always follows through with the emphasis on social ignorance as being the prime influence. Her father was beaten with a horse whip, by his father, and her grandfather with a cat of nine tails, by his father.

I can attest to the fact that this is true, from my own family experience. My mother had a very close relationship with her sweet grandfather. She was horrified to discover, later in life, from her mother, that that same kindly old man would horsewhip his own children to punish them, when they were teenagers. This was the norm, though.

Doesn't make the baby boomers seem so bad, does it? Try to keep perspective. Parents who merely chortle at their kid's ignorance and lack of respect are remarkably restrained, considering how few generations separate them from the barbaric parenting practices of their parents or grandparents. Our parents would have beaten some of us to within an inch of our lives, if we dared to contradict or question them.

by **Concerned** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 15:52:55

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '
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Read the original post and take a chill pill bro. The posters son knows about Peak Oil and sounds like the kids are hanging out having some fun.

by **NEOPO** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 16:09:09

Asshat maybe but I enjoy the honest raw Gideon

by **NWMossBack** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 16:37:46

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MD', 'G')ideon wins the asshole of the thread award for this one; in my not-so-humble opinion.

by **JasonHam** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 16:59:54

Is there some history btw pablo and gideon?

It was just a story. I kind of liked the fact he put down the 20 year old without anybody noticing. I liked the story....whats the big deal? Can't people just tell a story without the micro analysis of every little detail.......for crying out loud...

And , I dont know, I'm not a parent, but if i were, I dont think I would want some dude on a doomsday peak oil message board telling me what how I should raise my kid(s)

by **Pablo2079** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 17:00:10

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Concerned', '
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Read the original post and take a chill pill bro. The posters son knows about Peak Oil and sounds like the kids are hanging out having some fun.

by **Concerned** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 17:00:44

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '-')
Somebody named "concerned" posted a big, long, rather boring bit in response to me.

Concerned, that post read like every crap Hollywood movie that, because it sucks, runs 3 hours.

Like AI - one of the worst flicks of all time, and 3 hours long to make sure the point is driven home.

So work on making your posts more interesting. Christ, it wasn't even well argued.

by **TWilliam** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 17:07:54

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Baldwin', '
')You're being a moron, FYI.

1960 SHOULD carry the connotation of a cultural revolution that produced the parents of today's self-centered children. That is why instead of boomers setting up trusts for their soon-to-be-arriving (if not already here) grandkids they are wasting money on land in gates Florida golf communities.

The OP here seems to almost exhibit an "us against them" attitude which is increasingly becoming accepted among parents. I frequently tap my grandfather's brain for any information I might have missed. My relationship with him has been tension free for the last 17 years. It fails to manifest any of this cloak-and-dagger secrecy that you (the OP) has. WIth my own parents, it hasn't been so rosy (but it is still better than most). It mostly stems from my parents making occassionally asinine purchases (random expensive shopping trips, worthless trinkets from ebay) then complaining about college expenses, why I can't have a dog that I am willing to pay for etc.

by **IanC** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 17:24:27

These so-called generational wars are getting SO old.

What I find interesting is the people who have children as old as college aged who have not made those children PO aware. What a shame! The more this becomes part of their everyday thought processes, the better decisions they will be able to make. I don't think we do them favors by sheltering them.

My 6 year old is Peak Oil aware...for a 6 year old. She knows that nearly all vehicles run on oil products. She knows that we are halfway through all the oil on the planet and that the other half will be a lot harder to get. She knows that really rich people will still be able to drive cars when she is a grown-up but that most people will need other ways of getting around. She knows that we need to support local farmers and businesses because they use less gas to get us what we buy. She knows we need to ride bikes and walk more, not because we can't drive the car yet, but because it helps us get ready for when the gas is too expensive. She knows that learning to garden organically (she knows what organic means) will help us in the future and is fun. She wants to be a farmer (not a movie star).

As she matures, so can her understanding of the energy situation. At least it won't shatter her dreams when reality hits...I hope.

-IanC
Portland Oregon.

by **NEOPO** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 17:46:35

See! I like him more and more as time goes by.
It is as we say, an acquired taste.

here - let us try a little experiment - if sugar gets shit then lets try alittle shit.....
Hey Gideon - why dont you go outside and play hide and go F$%^ yourself?!!?

Gideon - maybe it is because we have chosen to come all the way out of the PO closet that we expect other peakers to do so as well?
I can take that alittle further and suggest that since I am moving toward sustainability that I expect other peakers to do so as well...

I find that I lose respect daily for those who admit to not planning and attempting to move toward sustainability.

Judgemental or honesty?
Yadda yadda no one knows the future yet is it that hard to picture inevitability?

I mean we have hashed the possible scenarios out ad infinitum.
Can anyone honestly say that we should not hope for the best but plan for the worst?
Nope as that is IMHO the best advice ever given yet rarely received.

Denial and rationalization folks! thats all it is and as much as I despise the arrogance of modern scientific thought I do appreciate those two words as they are understood by modern psychology.

Like Matt savinar penned on our copies of his book "tell the truth and run like hell"...Good advice even if he is a hopeless asshat :roll:

So let's skip the pussy footing and start saying it as it is please as the "hour is getting late"....
Monte is probably one of the best at this and I think that is why so many of us respect him.

Power out G man!

by **benzoil** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 20:18:26

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Gideon', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('IanC', 'W')hat I find interesting is the people who have children as old as college aged who have not made those children PO aware. What a shame! The more this becomes part of their everyday thought processes, the better decisions they will be able to make. I don't think we do them favors by sheltering them.

by **lateralus** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 21:04:48

Entertaining thread.

Such is usually the case when Gideon is in the mix.

I don't have any children so I don't have anything to really add. I'll just heckle the crowd and munch my popcorn.

Please, I want to see the gloves come off, bash the shit out of each other. No holds bar.

Ding, ding. [smilie=new_popcornsmiley.gif]

by **Revi** » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 21:35:34

I've tried to tell our kid about peak oil. We live it every day. We cut wood, live with solar hot water and pv backup lights. We have shrunk our cars and are using half of the fossil fuel that we did five years ago. Actions speak louder than words. I think he'll get that. We'll see. He's going to want a license to drive soon. I think he'll get to drive for a few years anyway. The reality of peak oil is becoming apparent to everyone, but especially to this generation of teenagers.

by **Concerned** » Tue 03 Apr 2007, 06:14:36

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('benzoil', '
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Since learning about PO, I have done almost nothing but prepare. I'm not standing on the rooftop yelling, "Doom is nigh!" because I don't think the time is right for me (personally - for others, who knows?) to stand on a rooftop and holler. I'm too busy teaching my little ones how to milk chickens, collect eggs from under the bull, and why not to repeat what Daddy just said after dropping a log on his foot.

by **Revi** » Tue 03 Apr 2007, 09:11:46

I try to tell my kids, but they don't care about something so strange and long term. They can only see to next weekend. I think that's a good thing. We were the same way. Why worry about things you can't change? We are the ones with the problem. They will be living with the consequences of peak oil, but they just don't know it yet. Why alarm them needlessly? Better to steer them in a good direction, and see how they do. They will be the ones steering their own lives. Tell them where the rocks are, and how to read a chart, and let them learn.

by **benzoil** » Tue 03 Apr 2007, 10:49:33

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', ' ')Better to steer them in a good direction, and see how they do. They will be the ones steering their own lives. Tell them where the rocks are, and how to read a chart, and let them learn.

by **Revi** » Tue 03 Apr 2007, 14:00:11

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('benzoil', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Revi', ' ')Better to steer them in a good direction, and see how they do. They will be the ones steering their own lives. Tell them where the rocks are, and how to read a chart, and let them learn.

by **Baldwin** » Tue 03 Apr 2007, 16:48:57

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TWilliam', '
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And you're being just as much of a narcissistic punk as you accuse the Boomers of being. Not that I'm defending them specifically mind you; I don't think very highly of them either.

The bottom line here however is that people don't "owe" their progeny sh*t beyond supporting us to the point of being able to make our own way in the world. They don't "owe" us a six figure secondary education, they don't "owe" us our first car or house (or pet or any other "want"), and they damn sure don't owe our kids a share of the fruits of their labors. If they want to "waste" their retirement funds on country-club living, that's certainly their right (tho' if they do opt for giving it to their grandkids, that is certainly their right as well).

More entitlement-minded bullsh*t...

by **lateStarter** » Tue 03 Apr 2007, 17:16:31

Ok. Help me out here. Trying to get the scorecard straightened out...

In one feature match we have 'Baldwin' vs 'TWilliam'. In the other we have the OP 'Pablo' and 'Concerned' vs 'Gideon' and 'Benzoil'.

When will 'Raphael' and 'Holmes' make a showing to clear things up? Stay tuned..

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