$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jbeckton', ' ')I wouldn't be suprised if half of the people who say that they are building farms and raising cattle in preperation were really living in the suburbs driving SUV's and planning that trip to Florida while saving for their kids college funds.
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Re: Reasons to be optimistic
by retiredguy » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 11:52:08
Those who don't think there is a problem are excluded. I'm interested only in those who believe that PO will be a significant problem for mankind. And I'm particularly interested in the specific plans that optimists are making to deal with the problem.
Pessimists/realists/doomers have posted their plans on this board an infinitum. The optimists tend to speak in generalities. I want specifics. Whether one believes that Peak Oil is now or ten years from now is immaterial. An optimist knowlingly driving toward a cliff could be expected to avoid going over the edge. Find a new road? put the car in reverse? Turn before the edge? What?
Pessimists/realists/doomers have posted their plans on this board an infinitum. The optimists tend to speak in generalities. I want specifics. Whether one believes that Peak Oil is now or ten years from now is immaterial. An optimist knowlingly driving toward a cliff could be expected to avoid going over the edge. Find a new road? put the car in reverse? Turn before the edge? What?
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Re: Reasons to be optimistic
by jbeckton » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 11:58:03
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('retiredguy', 'T')hose who don't think there is a problem are excluded. I'm interested only in those who believe that PO will be a significant problem for mankind. And I'm particularly interested in the specific plans that optimists are making to deal with the problem.
Pessimists/realists/doomers have posted their plans on this board an infinitum. The optimists tend to speak in generalities. I want specifics. Whether one believes that Peak Oil is now or ten years from now is immaterial. An optimist knowlingly driving toward a cliff could be expected to avoid going over the edge. Find a new road? put the car in reverse? Turn before the edge? What?
Pessimists/realists/doomers have posted their plans on this board an infinitum. The optimists tend to speak in generalities. I want specifics. Whether one believes that Peak Oil is now or ten years from now is immaterial. An optimist knowlingly driving toward a cliff could be expected to avoid going over the edge. Find a new road? put the car in reverse? Turn before the edge? What?
So you are looking for someone who thinks that PO will be a significant problem for the world but remains optimistic?
I guess I would have to get your definition of significant? Do you mean economic collapse? Do you mean resource wars? ( I think the two are tied togather)
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Re: Reasons to be optimistic
by threadbear » Mon 02 Apr 2007, 14:53:21
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Ludi', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('threadbear', 'T')he peak oil problem is clearly not as problematic as all that, if we lived differently.
The problem a lot of us see, the fact is, we don't live differently and there is little evidence most people intend to live differently nor are most people taking steps to live differently.
That, to me, is a reason to be pessimistic.
Who cares what people intend to do? If oil rises in price, do you think they're going to be financially able to purchase cars with internal combustion engines?
I agree with you that people are passive and self deluded about this issue and many others and corporate conspiracy and inertia capitalize on these tendencies.
However, after seeing, "Who killed the electric car" I realized how easy it would be to overhaul, revamp and completely change the automobile sector. Painful, indeed, but mass starvation-- not quite. If anyone wants a sense of what the developed world is going to go through they should read Dmitri Orlov. We WILL prevail, and will be better for it. Less morbid obesity, less waste, more illuminated, less ignorant. Leaner, but not necessarily meaner.
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