[dukey]

[flash width=400 height=326]http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=6696052383812726197&hl=en[/flash]

[jupiters_release]

If you think people look at you crazy for discussing peak oil, wait till you tell them AIDS is not a communicable disease.

[lateralus]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'I')f you think people look at you crazy for discussing peak oil, wait till you tell them AIDS is not a communicable disease.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('jupiters_release', 'I')f you think people look at you crazy for discussing peak oil, wait till you tell them AIDS is not a communicable disease.

[smallpoxgirl]

OK....we've had a go around about every other harebrained conspiracy theory in existence. Some asshat was bound to eventually bring this one up.

So. The video is "not given nor should it be received as medical advice". I will offer you a piece of free medical advice though. If you are buying any of this "AIDS is caused by pollution" malarkey, you need to get yourself down to the Social Security office pronto. Talk to the nice people about getting on SSI disability because you are a certifiable retard.

Ohh...and MacG, being able to piss people off is hardly a mark of superior wisdom.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'O')hh...and MacG, being able to piss people off is hardly a mark of superior wisdom.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'O')hh...and MacG, being able to piss people off is hardly a mark of superior wisdom.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'I') had red comments of Peter Duesberg, which you had referred to.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'I') had red comments of Peter Duesberg, which you had referred to.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'I')s there any point to read that crap any further?

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'I')s there any point to read that crap any further?

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'B')etter is to be ignorant, than waste time reading something dumb.

[smiley]

Well I'm not schooled in biochemistry so I have no background to challenge or confirm Duesbergs scientific claims.

But I do know the following things.

i) The scientific community consists of the most free-thinking minds in the world. A theory, any theory no matter how controversial and no matter who is proposing it, will be considered and will find an audience if it is based on reality. The scientific community is one where a simple patent office clerk gets to challenge all existing beliefs and authorities and collect a Nobel prize for it. You know who I'm talking about.

Political and other institutions are able to stall that process and they are regularly making attempts to do so. However these attempts are short lived. If a theory does not land within a few years it is normally because it is not true, not because some people don't want it to be true. If anything the life of a scientist has become a lot easier since they only have to worry about a few companies and governments who try to discredit them. In the good old days they had to worry about papal institutions which threatened to break your bones one by one starting by the toes up.

ii) The review process of scientific papers (like Nature and Science) is strictly regulated. It is not possible to reject a paper based on the fact that you don't like someones theories or that you don't like someone. You have to really show that the work is not true or not original. Failing to do so will mean that the paper will be published. The fact that prof Duesberg seems only to be able to publish his theory in the form of unreviewed letters and correspondences, means that compelling arguments have been found by the reviewers to reject his claims.

iii) I get a bit skeptical when a person claims to have solved the origin of Aids, the metastasis of cancer and en-passant made tremendous breakthroughs in the study of influenza. This man either is a genius, a fraud or deluded.

iv) I get even more skeptical when both Aids and Cancer are attributed to a common cause (drugs). It seems that prof Duesberg seems more intent on challenging big-farma than to challenge the current views on these diseases.

So without knowing the first thing about HIV I deem it extremely unlikely that there is more than a shred of truth in his claims.

[dukey]

is it any wonder people get ill taking AZT ?
when it was made it was deemed so toxic they thought it was useless and didn't even bother to patent it.

This drug randomly destroys cells in your body. Say if there was 1 HIV virus for every 10,000 cells, you would have to destroy 10,000 cells to destroy 1 hiv virus. Sound like a winner to you ?

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'W')ell I'm not schooled in biochemistry so I have no background to challenge or confirm Duesbergs scientific claims.

But I do know the following things.

i) The scientific community consists of the most free-thinking minds in the world. A theory, any theory no matter how controversial and no matter who is proposing it, will be considered and will find an audience if it is based on reality. The scientific community is one where a simple patent office clerk gets to challenge all existing beliefs and authorities and collect a Nobel prize for it. You know who I'm talking about.

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'B')etter is to be ignorant, than waste time reading something dumb.

[Newsseeker]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smiley', 'W')ell I'm not schooled in biochemistry so I have no background to challenge or confirm Duesbergs scientific claims.

But I do know the following things.

i) The scientific community consists of the most free-thinking minds in the world. A theory, any theory no matter how controversial and no matter who is proposing it, will be considered and will find an audience if it is based on reality. The scientific community is one where a simple patent office clerk gets to challenge all existing beliefs and authorities and collect a Nobel prize for it. You know who I'm talking about.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Newsseeker', ' ')
...and now this information about HIV. I wonder why the first place I hear about this is the discussion board in the Open Discussion section of peakoil.com and not on an ABC afterschool special or someone being interviewed by Barbara Walters? I am sure The View would love to break a story like this, if it is true....

Just some random thoughts.

[TommyJefferson]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') will offer you a piece of free medical advice though. If you are buying any of this "AIDS is caused by pollution" malarkey, you need to get yourself down to the Social Security office pronto. Talk to the nice people about getting on SSI disability because you are a certifiable retard.

[smiley]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I')'m sorry to say this, but based on first-hand experience, I know that this is just plain wrong. I have not suffered myself, but I have seen a lot of examples among colleagues.