[kam300en]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'T')his level of fear is unhealthy.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'S')PG was already trying to 'debunk' the 2nd video only like 15 mins after I had posted it.

[dukey]

perhaps you are lying to yourself

[Falconoffury]

Smallpoxgirl, I don't understand the hostile, name-calling stance. Name calling is an act of desperation. If you are right than your argument should feel effortless. The facts speak for themselves. It is like the time when 100 scientists confronted Einstein in a presentation to attempt to disprove his theories. If they were right, they would have only needed one.

I like how Raphael broke down Duesberg's argument into a list of points. So far, I find your argument pretty weak on the content side. Perhaps if you refuted all the points that Duesberg made individually, you would convince me much more effectively.

I happen to believe that every hypothesis should be treated in an objective way. Let the facts prove or disprove it.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Raphael', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('TommyJefferson', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'I') find these reactions interesting.

[chris-h]

aids is caused by HIV.

[killJOY]

"One thing is ths, if HIV caused Immune deficiency why havn''t they found a cure? This is easy with any other virus."

Read a little, will ya? HIV infects the very cells that are supposed to prevent infection.

And since when has it been "easy" to find cure for viruses? When was your last vaccine for the cold?

Ignorant!

[EnergyUnlimited]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Falconoffury', 'S')mallpoxgirl, I don't understand the hostile, name-calling stance. Name calling is an act of desperation. If you are right than your argument should feel effortless. The facts speak for themselves. It is like the time when 100 scientists confronted Einstein in a presentation to attempt to disprove his theories. If they were right, they would have only needed one.

I like how Raphael broke down Duesberg's argument into a list of points. So far, I find your argument pretty weak on the content side. Perhaps if you refuted all the points that Duesberg made individually, you would convince me much more effectively.

I happen to believe that every hypothesis should be treated in an objective way. Let the facts prove or disprove it.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('EnergyUnlimited', 'P')erhaps being a doctor, SPG is realising possible consequences to public health, should moronic ideas begin to spread widely.

[NEOPO]

Usually the masses are wrong thus when I point to the fact that "even the masses get it!" as I did with the 9.11 MIHOP/LIHOP polls I sometimes remember to warn the reader of this fact.
Maybe it is just me reminding myself of how weird it is that a large percent align with what can be called a conspiracy theory...

I for one am quite content to be viewed as "non bright" by many all the minds here who have not given me or anyone present for that matter even one good reason to doubt the thoughts presented in this video.
It is rather to the contrary and in disdain of the "listen to me" attitude that I tend to believe the dissenting opinion even more because of this simple minded veil of resistance offered up by those with seemingly the loudest voices.

What I have learned over my lifetime is that nothing is as it seems and fact is usually much stranger then fiction. I believe this TRUTH applies equally well to the past, the present and to the future.

Besides the "few" I see a bunch of smart people with the ability to grasp Peak Oil yet little else and all in all this has been quite a sad and sobering realization.

If you want to stand up against the concepts presented by this video then by all means do so yet if what we have seen so far is all you have to give then you are nothing more then a contrarian stabbing away at a strawmonster that you want us to believe you are saving us from.

SSDD my friends - Occams razor cuts clean.

[basil_hayden]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'T')he fact that the original risk groups (ie gay people etc) are still the ones which are suffering with it. It did not spread into the rest of the population like a normal disease would.
The facts AIDS in africa is clearly very different. 50:50 ratio of male to females supposidly suffer it. In the western world its 90% homosexual men ? That can not be the same disease.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') for one am quite content to be viewed as "non bright" by many all the minds here who have not given me or anyone present for that matter even one good reason to doubt the thoughts presented in this video.

[dukey]

you can have aids without having hiv

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'A')ZT is a cytotoxic chemical, a "DNA chain terminator." It interferes with DNA replication, by substituting itself for thymine, one of the base components in the DNA chain. This, theoretically, interferes with the reproduction of HIV. But it also interferes with the reproduction of the T-cell, the basis of the immune system, and the T-cell dies.

[NEOPO]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('NEOPO', 'I') for one am quite content to be viewed as "non bright" by many all the minds here who have not given me or anyone present for that matter even one good reason to doubt the thoughts presented in this video.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') just pointed out that AZT can't be causing AIDS because it's not given to people until after their immune system starts to fail.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') just pointed out the obvious fact that 100% of AIDS patients have HIV rather than the 0.16% that would expect through random chance.

[MacG]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('smallpoxgirl', 'I') just showed you pictures of the virus they say no-one has seen.

[smallpoxgirl]

You want a breakdown of the video? Here:

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('', 'I') think that I've been terrorized as a gay man into believing things about HIV and AIDS that are not provable.

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('MacG', 'T')his is quite interesting. About when did the protocol change take place?

[smallpoxgirl]

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('dukey', 'y')ou can have aids without having hiv