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Re: ck27 is here
by ck27 » Wed 28 Feb 2007, 01:44:48
well i drive a vehicle. :s Anywayz thanks all for the welcome. I even work at retail so im even worse.
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Re: ck27 is here
by Narz » Wed 28 Feb 2007, 02:30:10
Hey ck, welcome. Where do you work?
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Re: ck27 is here
by Narz » Wed 28 Feb 2007, 04:06:55
I could think of worse jobs.
It's probably interesting from a sociological perspective, right?
It's probably interesting from a sociological perspective, right?
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Re: ck27 is here
by zoidberg » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 00:20:05
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ck27', 'I') decided to post on this site. I have read through the topics for a long time. I hope to become active on these forums.
Basically about me if anyone cares. I am 19 years old and live in minnesota. I have known about the end of cheap energy for the last 4 years. Right before the gas hikes.
Basically about me if anyone cares. I am 19 years old and live in minnesota. I have known about the end of cheap energy for the last 4 years. Right before the gas hikes.
dont hope! Start posting.
Something related to peak oil hopefully.
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Re: ck27 is here
by ck27 » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 02:23:38
To be honest i get pissed off every time i work. Like stupid stuff like this, well not stupid i dont know. Someone asked for another bag and i got so pissed off that i dropped there current bag of stuff on the counter and it fell off the edge and a bunch of stuff broke.. I acted like i did it on accident. Sociological, and psycholgical perspective disturbs me greatly. I dont think i can find it interesting but rather really disturbing and sad.
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Re: ck27 is here
by threadbear » Thu 01 Mar 2007, 14:42:09
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('ck27', 'T')o be honest i get pissed off every time i work. Like stupid stuff like this, well not stupid i dont know. Someone asked for another bag and i got so pissed off that i dropped there current bag of stuff on the counter and it fell off the edge and a bunch of stuff broke.. I acted like i did it on accident. Sociological, and psycholgical perspective disturbs me greatly. I dont think i can find it interesting but rather really disturbing and sad.
So many people go through the tortures of the damned when they're your age. When you're feeling most vital, most keen, with the potential for boundless euphoria, you get mired in dystopia.
It zaps the spirit working at a big box retail store, with lighting that makes the already ugly bloated masses, take on a light blue tinge that highlights every blemish and popped capillary on their stressed out faces. And you have to literally shoulder the bulk of their mindless consumerism, at the till.
Your soul is rebelling, as it should. You're on the front lines, a soldier trying to defend himself against a barrage of material goods. Please keep reporting from the front lines.
Be our eyes and ears. Deal?
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Hello...? *Taps mic* -=skreeEEe=-
by Twilight » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 13:50:38
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I've been lurking and thought it might be a good idea to introduce myself before I break some unwritten rule about posting before you have done so.
So, uh, hi.
I'm not new to peak oil at all, worked it out when I started asking Bartlett-style questions in science/geography class at high school over 10 years ago. I've been reading about it for that long and have broached the subject with people before, but I find internet people especially can't discuss it properly without going into a complicated future history war scenario like something out of a Dale Brown novel ending with us wtfpwning China or whatever
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or going 'relaaax, they'll think of something...' well these days I'm one of them that are supposed to think of something and we're all stumped, I can tell you.
Hoping that this place is different and I can contribute the occasional bit of amateur punditry here, not that anyone really knows how it's all going to happen but it's fun to speculate a bit within reason.
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Re: Hello...? *Taps mic* -=skreeEEe=-
by NWMossBack » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 14:06:31
Welcome, did you sign up for your tin-foil hat yet?
I've been trying to talk to people about PO outside of PO.com for a mere 2-3 months, and I am getting no where!
So you've come to the right place; tons of very well researched opinions, and some, well... not so much. Plus the usual amount of chaff and noise, the hat seems to filter out a lot of that if you hold it at a certain angle.
I've been trying to talk to people about PO outside of PO.com for a mere 2-3 months, and I am getting no where!
So you've come to the right place; tons of very well researched opinions, and some, well... not so much. Plus the usual amount of chaff and noise, the hat seems to filter out a lot of that if you hold it at a certain angle.
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Re: Hello...? *Taps mic* -=skreeEEe=-
by RonMN » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 14:16:49
Welcome Twilight...
I'm sure you'll find pleanty of technical & non-technical talk on this site...whichever is to your choosing, on any given day.
Good to have you onboard.
I'm sure you'll find pleanty of technical & non-technical talk on this site...whichever is to your choosing, on any given day.
Good to have you onboard.
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes.
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Re: Hello...? *Taps mic* -=skreeEEe=-
by MD » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 14:23:25
hmmm...I suspect we will enjoy your new found non-lurkiness.
Stop filling dumpsters, as much as you possibly can, and everything will get better.
Just think it through.
It's not hard to do.
Just think it through.
It's not hard to do.
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Re: Hello...? *Taps mic* -=skreeEEe=-
by ck27 » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 15:05:08
Many forums actually ban lurkers. I dont know if this place has a rule like that but it doesn't seem to be. I think thats a good thing though, i believe people should be allowed just to read and if they dont like posting so be it.. Im new also MD, so i guess i can say welcome...
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Re: Hello...? *Taps mic* -=skreeEEe=-
by Jack » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 15:34:36
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', 'w')ell these days I'm one of them that are supposed to think of something and we're all stumped, I can tell you.
That's an intriguing comment. So...you view mitigation as somewhere between unlikely and impossible? Is there any chance you'd care to expand on this?
Welcome to Peak Oil.
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Re: Hello...? *Taps mic* -=skreeEEe=-
by Twilight » Fri 02 Mar 2007, 17:08:04
$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Jack', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Twilight', 'w')ell these days I'm one of them that are supposed to think of something and we're all stumped, I can tell you.
That's an intriguing comment. So...you view mitigation as somewhere between unlikely and impossible? Is there any chance you'd care to expand on this?
Welcome to Peak Oil.
I work in construction, infrastructure, and it's commonly accepted on the front line that we can't build anything fundamentally new, and no-one is planning to either. Worldwide, in mature markets the focus is on replacing equipment with almost identical units, and in new markets the focus is on building copies of what has been built elsewhere before.
So we're basically going over the peak with all the oil, gas, electricity, water, waste, transportation networks arranged exactly as they are now, except all the parts are stamped 2010 not 1960. Because no 'green' technologies exist that are as scalable as what has been incrementally improving for decades, and engineers like re-using proven stuff, all the manufacturing out there is already fully committed to renovating the global system to an identical configuration just to a better spec.
Funny thing is, if you ask someone involved whether towards the end of an item's service life (usually 30-50 years) there will still be the natural resources to make it work or make it useful, you're going to hear a lot of "Uh... erm... huh." So we're still going to be building airports and gas turbine power stations connected to centralised grids in 10 years' time, because those plans are already made and as good as paid for.
That's where we are with mitigation, you're going to have to wait until at least 2015 before there is space in the order books, factories re-tooled and some manufacturing slots are free. In the meantime, all those roads, airport runways and ski-slopes in the desert are going ahead, they're a done deal.
Now I'm not a total pessimist, I don't think anyone can really forsee a cataclysm and prepare for it, I'm not pinning my expectations to a single grand theory like the Dollar/Euro thing, I think the best way of getting through the coming years is being flexible and resilient enough to adapt to a long-term run of lesser calamities as they arise. I'm not about to retreat to a solar-powered log cabin or anything, but on the other hand I'm not getting too attached to heating and television.
What you can expect me to say quite regularly is that the chances of a constructive technological response are zero, just because the lead times and inertia in capital expenditure of this sort is so great. Especially as construction is almost recession-proof, you don't stop work on a ten-year project once it has begun just because the rest of the economy is having a hard time, and that is going to be true post-peak. The magical price signals tend to arrive years too late, that's why you often see brand-new warehouses and office buildings standing empty for years waiting until the next economic upturn brings a user.
I guess that's just a long-winded way of saying that nothing around us is going to be radically re-modelled for years afterwards, let alone in time. It'll just sit unused if it can't be used.
Just check out the timescales here. Yes way man, yes way.
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