Donate Bitcoin

Donate Paypal


PeakOil is You

PeakOil is You

Depleted uranium slugfest

Discussions related to the physiological and psychological effects of peak oil on our members and future generations.

Re: It is Crazy to Call DU Safe.

Unread postby Rob_0126 » Tue 27 Feb 2007, 00:20:04

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', '')$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Rob_0126', '
')Im all for going in and cleaning house, but this is genocide to me.

Robert


Whose house? Nobody can tell the "good guys" from the "bad guys." Who gets to decide? That cold-blooded, bungling maniac Bush?

To even begin to "clean house" in Iraq, we must first sweep out ourselves.


Im of course assuming we are fighting the enemy. I do have my issues with Bush as well. Especially himself claiming to be a believer in Christ and the things he has allowed. That aside, genocide is never the answer. I believe that is left up to the creator.
User avatar
Rob_0126
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 64
Joined: Sat 25 Mar 2006, 04:00:00

Re: It is Crazy to Call DU Safe.

Unread postby Heineken » Tue 27 Feb 2007, 09:36:04

OK, but your original post implies that it's acceptable to slaughter rapidly today (with laser-guided bombs and M-16s), just not slowly tomorrow (via the effects of depleted uranian). I'm bothered by the inconsistency.

As for Christianity, isn't one of its sacred tenets "Thou Shalt Not Kill"?

Another inconsistency?

Or, what about the Biblical injunction, "Love Thy Enemy."

Another inconsistency?
"Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog

"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---I & my bro.
User avatar
Heineken
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 7051
Joined: Tue 14 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Rural Virginia

Re: It is Crazy to Call DU Safe.

Unread postby Rob_0126 » Tue 27 Feb 2007, 21:11:25

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'O')K, but your original post implies that it's acceptable to slaughter rapidly today (with laser-guided bombs and M-16s), just not slowly tomorrow (via the effects of depleted uranian). I'm bothered by the inconsistency.

As for Christianity, isn't one of its sacred tenets "Thou Shalt Not Kill"?

Another inconsistency?

Or, what about the Biblical injunction, "Love Thy Enemy."

Another inconsistency?


Your taking one of the 10 commandments out of context. When you are attacked, you have the God given right to defend yourself.

Love thy Neighbor is actually what it says. Letting someone walk all over you is not a commandment of God. Jesus let what happened to him happen, for our sake, not his. He could have called down the full force of the Father and destroyed this universe, but he loved us so much that he allowed us to kill him, by putting him on the cross over 2000 years ago.
User avatar
Rob_0126
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 64
Joined: Sat 25 Mar 2006, 04:00:00

Re: It is Crazy to Call DU Safe.

Unread postby Heineken » Tue 27 Feb 2007, 23:05:21

Luke 10:2S-28 "Love thy neighbor as thyself, and love thy enemy."

You'd better go back to Sunday school.

Who did the attacking? All evidence shows the Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11, and that Bush used the tragedy as a false pretext to invade Iraq. But even if you believe Bush's lying spiel, does it justify killing babies and their mothers in their homes in Baghdad? What would Jesus say to that?

"Thou Shalt Not Kill." One can't take it out of context, because there are no exceptions. It is the absolute pure law of God, as taken down from Mount Sinai by Moses.

Is it possible to call oneself a Christian and play fast-and-loose with the Commandments? To alter the law of God just to fit the circumstances?
"Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog

"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---I & my bro.
User avatar
Heineken
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 7051
Joined: Tue 14 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Rural Virginia

Re: It is Crazy to Call DU Safe.

Unread postby Rob_0126 » Wed 28 Feb 2007, 00:13:18

$this->bbcode_second_pass_quote('Heineken', 'L')uke 10:2S-28 "Love thy neighbor as thyself, and love thy enemy."

You'd better go back to Sunday school.

Who did the attacking? All evidence shows the Iraqis had nothing to do with 9/11, and that Bush used the tragedy as a false pretext to invade Iraq. But even if you believe Bush's lying spiel, does it justify killing babies and their mothers in their homes in Baghdad? What would Jesus say to that?

"Thou Shalt Not Kill." One can't take it out of context, because there are no exceptions. It is the absolute pure law of God, as taken down from Mount Sinai by Moses.

Is it possible to call oneself a Christian and play fast-and-loose with the Commandments? To alter the law of God just to fit the circumstances?


Im not a bible scholar so I did miss that, Im sorry.

As for not killing, if you open up the old testament, you will see that God led people into wars to kill there enemy. Wars happen.

As for why we went to war, now, even now, I am confused. I really dont know now why we went.

All I know is, the Lord will sort this confusion out.
User avatar
Rob_0126
Peat
Peat
 
Posts: 64
Joined: Sat 25 Mar 2006, 04:00:00

Re: It is Crazy to Call DU Safe.

Unread postby Heineken » Wed 28 Feb 2007, 08:27:49

I appreciate your candor, Rob.

Christianity has some beautiful precepts. But they are so corrupted by people and politics as to become unrecognizable.

Yes, there's a lotta killing in the Bible, but as you say it's in the Old Testament.

If you believe in Jesus and what He stood for, you can't support killing in any form, even self-defense. Anyway, what we did to Iraq wasn't self-defense. It was naked aggression. Bear in mind that we were big supporters of Saddam until he defied us. We propped him up and turned a blind eye to his massacres. He was a US puppet, and now we're trying to replace him with another US puppet who will do our bidding.

That's all you need to know about the Iraq War to understand it perfectly.

Or, for deeper insights into what's going on, I highly recommend "The Sorrows of Empire," by Chalmers Johnson. An eye-opener on a grand and tragic scale.
"Actually, humans died out long ago."
---Abused, abandoned hunting dog

"Things have entered a stage where the only change that is possible is for things to get worse."
---I & my bro.
User avatar
Heineken
Expert
Expert
 
Posts: 7051
Joined: Tue 14 Sep 2004, 03:00:00
Location: Rural Virginia

Previous

Return to Medical Issues Forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests

cron